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MG1968 said:
You give Obama way too much credit and don't give Russian media the skepticism they deserve.
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I give Obama and this administration the proper amount of credit (or lack thereof) for creating a debacle that ignored or was unaware of regional history and demographics. This is exactly the level of execution and ineptness I would expect from this administration. Their track record shows that they are nothing more than checkers players playing against grandmaster chess players.

This country deserves the leadership we have, however. The next clown that comes into the White House (GOP or Dem) will continue to get us bogged down in meaningless scuffles halfway around the world while the country crumbles from the inside out domestically.
 
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Pacer92 said:
They didn't annex Crimea and certainly haven't invaded E Ukraine. Why do you insist on copy/paste of MSM in regards to the events in Ukraine? Kiev invaded E Ukraine without any negotiations!

Had Russia invaded Ukraine, this would of been over in mere weeks. Russia has no interest in claiming territory in E Ukraine and have stated so since the beginning.

Truly amazing at the blinders some people wear!
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Yeah, Burhead! You ought to change your name to "Dumbhead."

On another note, Russia could certainly take Ukraine in a matter of weeks. No denying that. It's the staying there part that would really cost them, both economically and militarily.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Of course they have a hand in it. The west instigated the situation and the Russians responded as anyone would have (or should have) expected them to respond.

But no sir, they were not the catalyst. that is the fact that many of you seem to not want to come to terms with, even after Obama admitted it. We had the US State Department go into Ukraine and orchestrate a series of subversive and seditious events. Russia responded.
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Exactly! As simple as cause and effect..

If not for the coup there would be no news coming out of Ukraine....much less innocent civilians being killed everyday!
 
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I wish someone would invade Rasputin's yard and set up camp there. The ensuing diplomacy would prove highly interesting.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Exactly! As simple as cause and effect..

If not for the coup there would be no news coming out of Ukraine....much less innocent civilians being killed everyday!
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Yep. Just no news but a bunch of people getting robbed blind by the man they thought would help them.
 
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Its amazing that on the one hand, most of you scream from the rooftops about international law and land grabbing when it comes to Crimea, yet you can hear a mouse pee on cotton with the level of silence you have when Israel does this over and over again in Gaza.
 
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volprof said:
Yeah, Burhead! You ought to change your name to "Dumbhead."

On another note, Russia could certainly take Ukraine in a matter of weeks. No denying that. It's the staying there part that would really cost them, both economically and militarily.
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Let me pose a question professor.....say that Russia funded a coup in Mexico, would the US set idly by as they set up Iskander and Smerch missiles on the Texas border?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Its amazing that on the one hand, most of you scream from the rooftops about international law and land grabbing when it comes to Crimea, yet you can hear a mouse pee on cotton with the level of silence you have when Israel does this over and over again in Gaza.
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The difference being is that no one is denying an Israeli presence in Gaza. You seem hellbent in your determination that there are no Russian troops in the Ukraine.
 
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MG1968 said:
The difference being is that no one is denying an Israeli presence in Gaza. You seem hellbent in your determination that there are no Russian troops in the Ukraine.
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The difference being we stroke Israel and want to exploit Russia of all it's resources.

It's ALL about the dollar..
 
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Pacer92 said:
The difference being we stroke Israel and want to exploit Russia of all it's resources.

It's ALL about the dollar..
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I agree that too much deference is given to Israel by the US, especially politically. Your comment about exploitation of Russian resources is just stupid.
 
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MG1968 said:
You seem hellbent in your determination that there are no Russian troops in the Ukraine.
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I'm not naive enough to even go that far. I'm sure that Russia and the US have mercenaries and advisers in the area. I don't know about this claim about 5000 Russian troops...

There have been some very wild claims about Russian tanks rolling all over eastern Ukraine and all kinds of other nonsense that would be so easy to prove with satellite imagery. But hell, even the Ukrainian military leader said a few days ago they aren't engaging with Russian troops. Again, do I think that Russians are present there in an advisory or tactical roll of some kind? Absolutely, the stakes are too high. But are Russian troops actually engaged in day to day/street level fighting? I doubt it... Only because that is the type of half-ssed measure that the US would do. We are the ones that would trickle in a few troops here or there, hoping to minimize troop casualties, but then having to come back later on with more troops... And then more behind that, and then the inevitability of mission creep then becomes real.

I think that if Russian troops were really going to be involved in this escapade, it would be an overwhelmingly conspicuous show of force.
 
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MG1968 said:
I agree that too much deference is given to Israel by the US, especially politically. Your comment about exploitation of Russian resources is just stupid.
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Then why the investment in Ukraine? I'll wait on a stupid reply...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm not naive enough to even go that far. I'm sure that Russia and the US have mercenaries and advisers in the area. I don't know about this claim about 5000 Russian troops...

There have been so very wild claims about Russian tanks rolling all over eastern Ukraine and all kinds of other nonsense that would be so easy to prove with satellite imagery. But hell, even the Ukrainian military leader said a few days ago they aren't engaging with Russian troops. Again, do I think that Russians are present there in an advisory or tactical roll of some kind? Absolutely, the stakes are too high. But are Russian troops actually engaged in the fighting? I doubt it... Only because that is they type of half-ssed measure that the US would do. We are the ones that would trickle in a few troops here or there, hoping to minimize troop casualties, but then having to come back later on with more troops... And then more behind that, and then the inevitability of mission creep then becomes real.

I think that if Russian troops were really going to be involved in this escapade, it would be an overwhelmingly conspicuous show of force.
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Vietnam taught us that Russian "advisers" are quite capable whether in their roles on the ground or at the controls of a MiG-21.
 
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MG1968 said:
Vietnam taught us that Russian "advisers" are quite capable whether in their roles on the ground or at the controls of a MiG-21.
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Which further proves my point. Both the USSR and USA had advisers in SE Asia. Yet we were the ones that ultimately ended up incrementally raising our presence in the region until we had a full blown war on our hands. While Russia learned its lesson of incrementalism in Afghanistan, we continue the same 50+ year old strategy today.

If Russia is going to put boots on the ground to take a stand in Eastern Ukraine, we will know it. It will be obvious.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Let me pose a question professor.....say that Russia funded a coup in Mexico, would the US set idly by as they set up Iskander and Smerch missiles on the Texas border?
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No.

But, then again, Mexico would never do such a thing, because we have something halfway resembling a normal relationship with them now.
 
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volprof said:
You know, I have to admit: Slavic, particularly Russian, women get a really bad rap. I happen to find them very beautiful.

So, I'm taking it you want all of Russia then?
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Nah, I'm not too keen on the hairy Siberian chicks.
 
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Burhead said:
Given the current environment in both this country and Europe I don't see them living up to their commitments do you?
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Hard to tell. Sometimes Merkel is a hard liner, other times you wonder WTF. That's just one of the leaders, but likely the one to establish herself as a leader among the European nations. Honestly, where Germany goes, the rest of Europe and the UK will likely follow.

As for this country, I think it's clear where my thoughts would lie on the matter.
 
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volprof said:
If you could divide Russia, what part would you personally prefer us to have?
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Siberia. Plenty of untapped resources. Other than the strip on either side of the Trans-Siberian railway, the Russians have barely touched that area.

I'll have a thousand acre plot in the Siberian Taiga for myself please.
 
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