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Pacer92 said:
What about the hypocrisy or "your group"? All of you post links daily from MSM which is controlled and edited by the US govt. who started this whole conflict in Ukraine to begin with.

Secondly, since myself and a few others post links from opposing media outlets that automatically qualifies us as Jew hating racists. I love the math....2+2=5.

Knowing your group supports the most corrupt, warmongering, hypocritical, lying, stealing, killing government in the world.....what does that make you?
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LouderVol said:
he is pointing out the hypocrisy of 'your group'. you hate/refute those of us that use the non-Russian MSM; while taking Russian MSM as the word of God.

not saying our's isn't propaganda, its just that we recognize this fact, and as such can deal with the propaganda side, while you seem unable to see the propaganda side of the Russian media, which as GV pointed out is directly funded by Russia.
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check the bold and underline, I already covered this.
 
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LouderVol said:
US military asks and receives permission from local country to have a ship, complying with a international convention, to patrol their waters. And let me add that local country is part of an alliance with the US which calls for mutual self defense. no i don't see anything wrong with this. How does this equate to the current situation?
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Turkey doesn't own the Black Sea. They just asked Turkey to pass through The Bosphorus. Big difference. What different from the US sailing a naval ship in the Black Sea, which borders several different countries vs Russia flying planes in the Gulf of Mexico, which is bordered by several different countries?
 
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LouderVol said:
its not the flying over open water that I have a problem with, as posted earlier its when they get within different countries air space, Canada and Sweden come to mind of confirmed reports and talk of them getting inside British airspace as well. then you have the weekly scrambles of our own jets responding to Russian aircraft as well.
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We're talking about The Gulf of Mexico... who's air space did they violate?
 
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Does Pacer and/or Rasputin live in Russia? Given the history of how Russia (post WWII) has handled conflict, how are you so sure they aren't belligerents within this conflict? I am not saying American foreign policy is not with out flaws but when the rest of the world is reporting on Russian transgressions, how can you still be in denial? I produce monthly open source briefings on this topic and can't see how anyone can deny Russia's deep involvement. I understand why they are doing it. From a strategic standpoint, it makes sense. As I have mentioned before, Putin is a smart man. I just don't agree with Russia's position in this conflict. There are other alternatives that could have been pursued.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And the Black Sea?
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Treaties have been made to establish territorial boundaries. The big difference is most countries ask for permission before entering territorial waters or airspace of a country. Russia doesn't. It is too easy to coordinate with advance notice and to negotiate deals to do so. The rest of the world does it. Why can't Russia?
 
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Could it be that Russia is practicing contingency plans against the countries whose sovereignty they are violating? Every country has CONPLANs. The difference is most countries don't practice them against everyone else. Russia does.
 
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SergeantVol said:
Could it be that Russia is practicing contingency plans against the countries whose sovereignty they are violating? Every country has CONPLANs. The difference is most countries don't practice them against everyone else. Russia does.
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The US has NATO and it's hand picked puppets as an excuse to violate the sovereignty of countries.

Russia doesn't have this luxury.
 
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The US has many allies that are not in NATO. Training cooperation agreements help. Countries who have dictators that are oppressing their citizens are dealt with using a coalition.
 
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SergeantVol said:
Actually, yes. I have been on many training missions with allied militaries.
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The US plays well with those that will do what they say. We just have better packaging and marketing than Russia. You still have people that hate Russia based on the old Cold War programming we were given up until 1989.
 
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SergeantVol said:
Not sure how this guy is so ignorant on what's happening. Its like talking to a hard core liberal.
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Sometimes ignorance is a choice rather than naturally occurring.

Our country ain't perfect by any means. But we sure as hell are a metric **** ton better than anyone else out there. And until people like Ras and Pacer actually get their dead asses out and see the rest of the world is not the freaking rainbows and unicorns like they believe, the cycle of ignorance will continue.
 
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SergeantVol said:
The US has many allies that are not in NATO. Training cooperation agreements help. Countries who have dictators that are oppressing their citizens are dealt with using a coalition.
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Why aren't we trying to take all of the dictators out in Africa? There are many..
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The US plays well with those that will do what they say. We just have better packaging and marketing than Russia. You still have people that hate Russia based on the old Cold War programming we were given up until 1989.
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And your expertise comes from where on this subject?
 
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