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I mean, Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine while on leave?

I feel dumber for just having heard that claim, much less believing it.
 
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Burhead said:
It's none of Russia's business either.
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Glad to see you are admitting that the US has no business there by saying "either". Although, I have been saying that Russia has a better argument for being involved in a border dispute with Ukraine than the US does with Ukraine being half a world away.
 
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Burhead said:
Canada straight trolled Russia

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Counterpoint

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Glad to see you are admitting that the US has no business there by saying "either". Although, I have been saying that Russia has a better argument for being involved in a border dispute with Ukraine than the US does with Ukraine being half a world away.
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I think it is the world's business when a nuclear armed country willfully disregards international norms and invades a peaceful neighbor without reason.
 
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red butler said:
Do you think the US should have been sanctioned for invading Iraq?
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I didn't support the Iraq war, however, the situations are not remotely the same. Iraq had invaded two countries in little more than a decade, conducted numerous human rights violations against minorities, and was a ruthless dictatorship. Ukraine on the other hand had not launched any aggressive military action against her neighbors since the country's independence.
 
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red butler said:
No they couldn't. But my point was that we conduct our affairs all over the globe with little regard for other countries, why shouldn't Russia act in its' national interest?
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What or who would have stopped any country from doing so?
 
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Burhead said:
I didn't support the Iraq war, however, the situations are not remotely the same. Iraq had invaded two countries in little more than a decade, conducted numerous human rights violations against minorities, and was a ruthless dictatorship. Ukraine on the other hand had not launched any aggressive military action against her neighbors since the country's independence.
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Didn't the US support the rise of the ruthless dictator and didn't we encourage Iraq to invade Iran? We only claim human rights violations when our proxies don't tow the line. If western Canada was planning to join the Warsaw pact, you better believe we'd get involved.
 
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hog88 said:
What or who would have stopped any country from doing so?
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We would have. Sure, if some tiny island with no natural resources stopped trade we wouldn't bat an eye, but if a country with major resources objected they would have suffered the same fate as Lybia and Syria.
 
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Burhead said:
I think it is the world's business when a nuclear armed country willfully disregards international norms and invades a peaceful neighbor without reason.
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Without reason? That neighbor is aligning itself with the EU and is going to be a staging ground for NATO/US missiles, not to mention the economic importance of the pipelines that pass through Ukraine. Ukraine has strategic economic and military importance that directly affects Russia. Any denial of this fact by saying Russia is involved "without reason" is absurd.

The plan seems to be to get Russia preoccupied and tied down in The Ukraine while the US is able to overthrow Assad without Putin being able to interfere like he did last year. This govt and TPTB are hellbent on attacking Syria and will not stop until that objective is reached.
 
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Burhead said:
Iraq had invaded two countries in little more than a decade, conducted numerous human rights violations against minorities, and was a ruthless dictatorship.
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There are dozens of other countries that have dictators and human rights abuses that we either didn't attack or finance/support (Saudi Arabia), yet we didn't attack them.

It all boils down to Saddam trading oil for Euros.
 
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red butler said:
If western Canada was planning to join the Warsaw pact, you better believe we'd get involved.
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You don't have to create an imaginary scenario. Just look at how we reacted in this hemisphere when Cuba and Chile/Salvador Allende aligned themselves with Russia.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
There are dozens of other countries that have dictators and human rights abuses that we either didn't attack or finance/support (Saudi Arabia), yet we didn't attack them.

It all boils down to Saddam trading oil for Euros.
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Saudi Arabia also hasn't invaded their neighbors like Saddam did.
 
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