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volprof said:
I have to admit, it has been a magnificent PR victory on Moscow's part. Just say it, put it out there, and it becomes truth (or at least creates enough skepticism) for those you wish to manipulate.
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It has?

Who is Russian propaganda affecting (or is it effecting)? Russians, Ukrainians who already wanted to be part of Russia, and who else? Rasputin_Vol?

Seems to me they've been converting the choir, and virtually no one else.
 
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Looks like the Europeans plan to up their own sanctions against the Kremlin by the end of July.

@jerryliet 14s

BRUSSELS - European Union leaders order escalation of sanctions on Russia over actions in #Ukraine. AP
 
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Velo Vol said:
It has?

Who is Russian propaganda affecting (or is it effecting)? Russians, Ukrainians who already wanted to be part of Russia, and who else? Rasputin_Vol?

Seems to me they've been converting the choir, and virtually no one else.
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And those are the only ones who matter in gaining support for Putin's aims, all except Rasputin of course.
 
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volprof said:
I'm going to be honest with you all, how anyone is still even alive in that country or its former republics is just beyond me. It's just one big, long history of killing, massacring, and starving other or of being killed, massacred, and starved by others.
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Same can be said about the territory that is presently Ukraine, from the little I know of its history.

Russian sanctions are only going to have as much teeth as the EU wants to put into them.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Same can be said about the territory that is presently Ukraine, from the little I know of its history.

Russian sanctions are only going to have as much teeth as the EU wants to put into them.
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You would be right on both accounts. Regarding the former, in particular, both Ukraine and Russia trace their origins to Kievan Rus. Kiev is considered the mother of Russian cities (which is probably why many in Russia still think of a Ukrainian nation as some sort of farce), but the same can be said of it for Ukraine.
 
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Reports coming in that a Malaysia Airlines 777 was shot down on the Ukrainian/Russian border just now.
 
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Burhead said:
Reports coming in that a Malaysia Airlines 777 was shot down on the Ukrainian/Russian border just now.
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This has been confirmed by the Airline. Seems either the pro-Russian terrorists, or the Russians themselves, shot it down.
 
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Obsessed said:
Oh boy. If the Russians shot down a commercial airliner.....I hate to be Russian right about now.
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Eh, nobody will do anything about it. Putin has let those terrorists, as Burhead I think aptly calls them, run wild all over the east to install his objectives, and he has gotten away with highway robbery. Land-grabbing in the 21st Century and now shooting down civilian jetliners (whether false flag or unintentional).
 
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Well, the EUs going to have to take this more seriously, given the number of north Europeans likely on the plane.
 
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Yep. The Russian media is alive and well.

Malaysia Airlines Conspiracy: Aiming for Putin -- NYMag

Well, that didn’t take long at all: The wreckage from downed Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in Ukraine hadn’t even stopped smoking when Russian-language news sources began explaining what really happened in the skies over Donetsk. And what really happened?

Someone, the theory goes, tried to take down Vladimir Putin’s plane, but missed.
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Burhead said:
@jimsciutto 16m

Breaking: New US sanctions ban #Russia's Gazprom Bank, Novotek, Rosneft & others from US financial system. Big firms, big price
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Now let's think about this for a moment. You already have a country that is itching to get away from the Western banking system and to de-dollarize all trade activity. They are also building up a coalition of other countries to follow behind them in the de-dollarization. You just had the BRIC's nations last week announce they will have an IMF rival development bank by 2016.

What do you think these sanctions are going to do: slow down Russia's economic aspirations or speed it up more? I just don't understand who is brainstorming these schemes and sanctions in Washington.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What do you think these sanctions are going to do: slow down Russia's economic aspirations or speed it up more? I just don't understand who is brainstorming these schemes and sanctions in Washington.
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Russia is free to "de-dolarize" whenever it wants. Could be a boon for its trade zone with Belarus and Kazakhstan.

As for BRICS, it has a fundamental problem: mixing apples and oranges

Are the BRICS Nations Too Splintered to Be a Bloc? - Businessweek

An underlying problem is that the BRICS economies don’t have much in common. Their economic-management policies run the gamut, from state-controlled to largely free-market. Per capita incomes range from just more than $5,000 annually in India to more than $24,000 in Russia. China has $4 trillion in currency reserves, the lion’s share of the BRICS total.

Despite the BRICS’ considerable resources, their bank and currency fund will lack financial heft. The five countries are pledging $50 billion to the new bank, which would allow it to lend an estimated $3.4 billion annually a decade from now. That’s a pittance compared with the World Bank, which lends more than $60 billion each year. Details on functioning of the $100 billion currency reserve fund, which countries could tap in case of trade deficits, are still being hammered out.
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