Ukraine Protests

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Pacer92 said:
Let's not be naive! Had Putin not secured the Crimea, there would be a congregation of US/NATO influence on the peninsula..
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It is amazing to me that they still contend the naval base in Crimea was of little strategic value for NATO and they can't understand why Russia deemed it important.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'll disagree over South Ossetia.
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Putin signs deal calling for almost complete integration of South Ossetia into Russia

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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is amazing to me that they still contend the naval base in Crimea was of little strategic value for NATO and they can't understand why Russia deemed it important.
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You keep forgetting the Russians would still have a lease contract for the base even if Ukraine joined NATO. There was no need to intervene to "secure" the port.
 
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volprof said:
How come Russia can put up whatever missile defense systems it wants to, yet European countries aren't allowed to, in Russia's opinion?

I just don't get it.
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Because a missile defense shield is a threat to Russia.

Using Ras logic here.
 
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Pacer92 said:
http://rt.com/op-edge/242541-us-ww2-ukraine-parade-moscow/

Not surprising...
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A one sided argument is one sided. The story does nothing to discredit VE day being celebrated in Ukraine except to play Russia as the victim of this whole ordeal. I know the plan doesn't call for this but what if we officially celebrated it in another country every other year? Russia, Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Russia, France ,Russia etc etc. Maybe all this plan is is sharing(or all it should be). And how does the world officially designate who officially hosts VE day? Does the Olympic selection committee get I. On the action?
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I'll make sure to recognize Russia's contribution such as Molotov-Ribbentrop, the invasion of Poland, the invasion of the Baltics, the tens of thousands 'relocated' or killed in these areas to include the Katyn massacre. I won't forget to recognize Russia's part in helping to supply, train, etc. the Nazis before the war began as well. That should get us up to the war as Russia recognizes it - starting in 1941. Then we'll cover the millions killed and relocated at the hands of the Soviets. The hundreds of thousands of prisoners who were sent to Siberia and never made it home. The governments that were suppressed and replaced with Communists who ended freedoms of religion, speech, assembly, etc.

Not surprising this new fascist reboot would just overlook the FULL Soviet "contribution" to the war.
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Don't forget the Winter War as well
 
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Pacer92 said:
You do what you have to in war....this is not history, yet fact!

I guess bowing out of the way and handing over Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad, and the Caucuses to Germany would of been ok with you?!
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Like having to shoot your own soldiers? Having to do everything to defeat the enemy, not everything you can make war as terrible as possible. The level of duck-upedness if off the charts when you literally have guys whose job it is to shoot their own men and have military doctrines where you tie down the enemy with infantry and then shell the crap out of the hole area. The soviet thinking was eerily similar to WWI military thinking. "So what if we lost 100,000 men we gained a mile of territory. Chalk that one up as a victory, boys"
 
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Burhead said:
Did thousands of Russians die for this?
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Interesting that the police dispersed the protesters outside.

We've heard some of this here:

Griffin said at the event that "I see this forum as a way of pushing the fight back against liberalism and what we call modernism, the destruction of traditional values, including Christianity throughout the modern world."

He added: "Russia is about tradition and Christianity and it's very important that traditionalists from Russia, Europe, and America get together to present our ideas more effectively to the general public."
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is amazing to me that they still contend the naval base in Crimea was of little strategic value for NATO and they can't understand why Russia deemed it important.
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Probably wasn't important to NATO because they already have a base operational in that area. If they were to "seize" that naval base the won't not expand control any farther, and it would cost bucket loads of money to bring its shipyards up to date to the point where we could use them. Mean while Russia invaded because it was literally their one port in the area. See the difference? We don't need Ukraine or Crimea to "threaten" Russia.
 
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No Ukrainian "Nazis", though.

Europe’s Far Right Comes To Russia In Search Of Shared Values, Money — Or Just Attention

“Constantinople has been and gone,” said Nick Griffin, leader of the British National Party until last year. “Rome and the persons who came from Rome have gone the same way. It’s absolutely inevitable that in the lifetimes of most of the people in this room, Western Europe will either become an Islamist caliphate or there will be a terrible civil war or perhaps both. Which makes the survival of Christendom absolutely impossible without the rise of the Third Rome: Moscow.”
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is amazing to me that they still contend the naval base in Crimea was of little strategic value for NATO and they can't understand why Russia deemed it important.
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You have several bases with ships and just under 20K troops there. Yeah, NATO is going to come after it. Keep believing the most unbelievable conspiracy out there. Thanks to Yanukovich and HIS unconstitutional move, he gave the Russians not only the bases extended beyond what the constitution allowed for but allowed those forces OFF the base to roam around the peninsula which gave them the means to steal Crimea. Putin's already admitted his sham. His plan was in motion before Yanukovich was out the door. So, yes, keep believing the lie there Ras.
 
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Burhead said:
Did thousands of Russians die for this?

BBC News - Europe far-right parties meet in St Petersburg, Russia
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These guys seem to go for the rebrand. Liberals now use the term progressive. Fascists now use the term nationalists. This little fascist collection all uses the language of fascism but they rather use the term "nationalism". I guess it sells better and it doesn't interfere with the whole "everyone else that hates us is a fascist" logic.

In this little group, I didn't see Azov, Right Sector, and Poroshenko get invites...you know since they are all fascists and all. Obama didn't either. Nuland, Pyatt, etc. didn't as well.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Anything suspicious about this guy's death? Or are they just trying to sensationalize the story?

BBC News - Ukraine ex-President Yanukovych's son 'drowns in lake'
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I'll try the video but he was driving across the frozen lake and then the SUV goes through a spot that clearly looked thin. The video shows a few getting out. From anything I've read he's sort of the live the fast life playboy type. While this immediately sends up red flags where he was and what he was doing just looks like a stupid, risky move that got him killed.
 
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Can you all imagine how RT and other Russian media would be crapping a jagged brick if that forum had occurred either here in America or in an EU state? You wouldn't hear an end to it.

Those fascists, they play awful dirty. Sneaky little farts, they are.
 
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