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Pacer92 said:
Call for aid?? Aid in what? Russian aggression....lol.

And as far as bringing info....I don't have to explain why to you. It's my right to bring a different perspective other than the one-sided propaganda that is MSM. And if it so happens to smear the US in the process, so be it...
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:eek:lol:

Your way of fighting "MSM propaganda" is to, quite literally, use the mouthpiece of the Kremlin.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Call for aid?? Aid in what? Russian aggression....lol.

And as far as bringing info....I don't have to explain why to you. It's my right to bring a different perspective other than the one-sided propaganda that is MSM. And if it so happens to smear the US in the process, so be it...
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our allies are scared of Russia (fact) is there cause (debatable). We are allied with these countries (fact) we are required to provide them defensive aid when they are threatened (fact). Russia held its own military movements in its own territory earlier this weak (fact) our allies have been requesting us to up our presence over there for months (fact). Both sides have stepped up air patrols and the number of 'almost incidents' has steeply risen on both sides (fact). tensions have been getting higher all around, and while no direct aggression has happened (debatable, Russia involvement in Ukraine) both sides are gearing up for war (fact) and we have been called out by our allies and thankfully we stepped up to the plate.

the reason i was asking about this particular piece was because it did not seem all that bad against the US. so I was inquiring if I was missing something or if you were just providing a source of info. way to over react.
 
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LouderVol said:
our allies are scared of Russia (fact) is there cause (debatable). We are allied with these countries (fact) we are required to provide them defensive aid when they are threatened (fact). Russia held its own military movements in its own territory earlier this weak (fact) our allies have been requesting us to up our presence over there for months (fact). Both sides have stepped up air patrols and the number of 'almost incidents' has steeply risen on both sides (fact). tensions have been getting higher all around, and while no direct aggression has happened (debatable, Russia involvement in Ukraine) both sides are gearing up for war (fact) and we have been called out by our allies and thankfully we stepped up to the plate.

the reason i was asking about this particular piece was because it did not seem all that bad against the US. so I was inquiring if I was missing something or if you were just providing a source of info. way to over react.
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So they are just supposed to sit on their hands after multiple NATO expansions and the coup in Kiev? Just let the US come in and do whatever they want? To let them take their naval base in the Black Sea? To place illegitimate sanction after sanction on them?

Do you think Russia would be posturing if none of this had taken place?
 
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Pacer92 said:
There are two sides to every story. Unfortunately most Americans don't know this....and that's exactly how our govt wants it!
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Lets ignore what Der Speigel, the Guardian and multiple other sources (that have been and are currently critical of the US and their own governments in an array of areas) have said about this.

Yeah, those aren't the un-biased sources you're looking for. Better to educate the ignorant by spouting off a state-funded and directed source of propaganda.
 
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Pacer92 said:
So they are just supposed to sit on their hands after multiple NATO expansions and the coup in Kiev? Just let the US come in and do whatever they want? To let them take their naval base in the Black Sea? To place illegitimate sanction after sanction on them?

Do you think Russia would be posturing if none of this had taken place?
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Perhaps Russia could simply align itself with the legions of it's former subjects that are seeing life as a nation that is aligned with NATO/EU is far better than it was under the yoke of Soviet rule?

Their pride is hurt because they were a drunk and abusive @sshole (completely ironic, given the nation in question) whose wife left him for another guy. And then his girlfriend left him for the same guy.

Now that guy has a venerable flock of their ex-girlfriends and they're vindictive.

Look at how Poland has rapidly ascended in the last decade or so. The Baltic states are prospering. Ukraine wanted a piece of that pie. Russia wasn't endangered, they were offended.
 
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Pacer92 said:
So they are just supposed to sit on their hands after multiple NATO expansions and the coup in Kiev? Just let the US come in and do whatever they want? To let them take their naval base in the Black Sea? To place illegitimate sanction after sanction on them?

Do you think Russia would be posturing if none of this had taken place?
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yes. would it be nearly as much, no.

ah yes, I do expect them to sit on their hands, NATO is a defensive treaty that is only activated when one of the members is attacked. How much direct response has the US given to Russia reopening bases in Cuba and Central and South America? Russia is providing 'security' on a lot of Chinese projects in these areas as well as reactivating old bases.

why would these sanctions be illegitimate? I forget how many times they have been voted on in several different circles, and they are always approved, though the backing is less strong it is still there. NATO, EU, UN all I am pretty sure have voted on the sanctions, so not exactly illegitimate. heck that is one of the few things we can get Congress to actually work on. If a bunch of different countries want to block trade with Russia what is wrong with that?the countries have made their decision and it is actually working, which is shocking to me.
 
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agent|orange said:
Perhaps Russia could simply align itself with the legions of it's former subjects that are seeing life as a nation that is aligned with NATO/EU is far better than it was under the yoke of Soviet rule?

Their pride is hurt because they were a drunk and abusive @sshole (completely ironic, given the nation in question) whose wife left him for another guy. And then his girlfriend left him for the same guy.

Now that guy has a venerable flock of their ex-girlfriends and they're vindictive.

Look at how Poland has rapidly ascended in the last decade or so. The Baltic states are prospering. Ukraine wanted a piece of that pie. Russia wasn't endangered, they were offended.
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prepare for MSM bs backlash. the US never actually helps any of these countries. the US might have survived the Cold War but it wasn't because it was the better country its because of a world wide conspiracy. blah blah blah. CIA false flag blah blah blah US petrodollar blah blah BRICS blah blah
 
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LouderVol said:
prepare for MSM bs backlash. the US never actually helps any of these countries. the US might have survived the Cold War but it wasn't because it was the better country its because of a world wide conspiracy. blah blah blah. CIA false flag blah blah blah US petrodollar blah blah BRICS blah blah
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I would like to know more. Could you point me to an impartial Russia Today article about this?
 
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LouderVol said:
to be honest i didn't read the article, but here is something on us opening up to Cuba. I am sure there will be something in there of the rabble rabble nature. http://rt.com/usa/215331-obama-cuba-policy-embassy/
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damn they almost didn't get something in there, wasn't until the very end.

Announcements from the Obama and Castro offices came only hours after the head of the US Agency for International Development, or USAID, announced plans to resign following a five-year term marred in recent months by scandals surrounding American efforts to influence Cuban youths.
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Interesting.

Putin’s Secret Gamble on Reserves Backfires Into Currency Crisis

Three government officials characterized the February discussions as critical to Putin’s thinking on Ukraine. The series of talks came before Russia helped Viktor Yanukovych, then-president of Ukraine and a Putin ally, flee from violent protests.

Putin, 62, was told Russia had enough foreign currency reserves to annex Crimea and withstand any sanctions that might follow. The president might not have proceeded had Russia not built up its cash cushion in good times, said the three officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the sensitive nature of the discussions.
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Someone, please explain to me one firm economic reason why the Ruble is collapsing so fast. Oil prices falling shouldn't matter because the Ruble isn't baked by oil. Russia has a lot less debt/GDP than the US and most other countries in Western Europe and the price of oil (in terms of the Ruble) has not changed since February.

Now I've heard of "paper" gold and "paper" silver, where the amount traded by these ETFs and other commodities agencies have hundreds of times more claims on AU or AG than actually in their reserves. But could we be witnessing The Powers That Be's most brilliant plan of all... "paper" paper? Are the FOREX markets dumping "Paper" Rubles onto the market in order to drive down the price of the Ruble? Another thing, there are 2 sides of every trade... the seller and the buyer. What are the holders of Rubles seeing that makes them want to sell? And who is buying?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Someone, please explain to me one firm economic reason why the Ruble is collapsing so fast. Oil prices falling shouldn't matter because the Ruble isn't baked by oil. Russia has a lot less debt/GDP than the US and most other countries in Western Europe and the price of oil (in terms of the Ruble) has not changed since February.

Now I've heard of "paper" gold and "paper" silver, where the amount traded by these ETFs and other commodities agencies have hundreds of times more claims on AU or AG than actually in their reserves. But could we be witnessing The Powers That Be's most brilliant plan of all... "paper" paper? Are the FOREX markets dumping "Paper" Rubles onto the market in order to drive down the price of the Ruble? Another thing, there are 2 sides of every trade... the seller and the buyer. What are the holders of Rubles seeing that makes them want to sell? And who is buying?
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just my 2 cents on the ruble. but money/currency/medium of trade is only valuable when it is used. currently with a lot of the sanctions cutting off transactions with Russia the ruble is used much less often. if it isn't being used as much on the global market the price is going to plummet. basically, imo, the sanctions are making the ruble irrelevant in the global economy. so while the value may still be there to some extent ie. 79 rubles buys a loaf of bread, if no one is buying bread with rubles it doesn't matter if it is 79 or 10 rubles, so the value slips.

as far as the second area goes I am even more out of my depth and I have no idea. I was talking to my friends about now being the time to invest in Russia stuff with the value so low, and just sit and wait on it to bounce back, but then that would be working with the Russians and i am a dirty capitalistic American pig and I am sure the Russians would deny me just on those grounds.
 
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That trite "caged bear springing back on you" analogy may eventually prove true if used enough. Kind of like how people who predict the end of the world will eventually get it right.
 
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volprof said:
That trite "caged bear springing back on you" analogy may eventually prove true if used enough. Kind of like how people who predict the end of the world will eventually get it right.
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I'm not wrong, I just haven't been proven right yet.
 
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Pacer92 said:
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right because VN = Head of a Country or even a Major News Outlet when it comes to discussing issues. glad to know what we are saying here has such weight in the world.

you see the difference right? world leader talking up nationalist ideas changes lives and could easily cause war, VN discussing nationalist ideas causes e-fights punctuated by memes and gifs
 
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