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LouderVol said:
forever hopeful
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I hope a supermodel will hunt me down and ask me out.

Meanwhile, this, unsurprisingly, reflects many of the theories we've been treated to here.

Paranoid Russia Now Sees Enemies Everywhere | Opinion | The Moscow Times

Patrushev went on to place the lion's share of the blame for the collapse of the Soviet Union on the U.S., rather than on internal causes. He said that the West's main Russophobe, former U.S. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski — whom, Patrushev emphasized, was of Polish descent — in the 1970s formulated and substantiated the strategy of achieving the Soviet collapse by attacking its most "vulnerable" area: the economy.

According to this theory, the West delivered its crippling blow by bringing down oil prices in the 1980s and enlisting the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank as co-conspirators to help organize the bankruptcy and collapse of the Soviet Union. It was a kind of "economic Cold War" that proved remarkably effective, he said.
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Certainly the US has drifted towards wide-scale cultural paranoia at times. The worst instance probably being the 1950s-60s and the govt. witch hunts and cultural products (particularly the Sci-Fi films) of that era, which are nothing but sheer paranoia about the body (body politic) being infiltrated by foreign/alien objects (communists).

That being said, I don't know that there's ever been a nation more consistently paranoid than Russia. They make us and our conspiracy loons look rational throughout the years. I think it's the result of some condition that Freud might label a "cultural penis envy."
 
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Velo Vol said:
Also,

Vladimir Putin blames US for Islamist terrorism and Ukraine conflict | World news | The Guardian
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Yes, because we all no Russia has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine and certainly has nothing to do with the rise of Islamist terrorism. I mean, my god, Russia fought two wars to suppress the evil Muslim Chechens, at no point in which did its FSB train any of them, namely one Shamil Baseyev. And it's not like Chechens are the top field commanders and strategy heads in ISIS. I mean, obviously it's other people and they received this knowledge through other means. Not by both being trained by and combating and inept Russian military for two decades.
 
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volprof said:
Yes, because we all no Russia has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine and certainly has nothing to do with the rise of Islamist terrorism. I mean, my god, Russia fought two wars to suppress the evil Muslim Chechens, at no point in which did its FSB train any of them, namely one Shamil Baseyev. And it's not like Chechens are the top field commanders and strategy heads in ISIS. I mean, obviously it's other people and they received this knowledge through other means. Not by both being trained by and combating and inept Russian military for two decades.
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Link?
 
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RT's running wild this morning with its typical anti-American fare, which, come to think of it, is no different from any other morning on RT.

Anyhow, they're all jizzing over some speech Putin made yesterday in Sochi that basically blames the US for every single problem on Earth (probably what Velo has linked). One of his quotes was about how a bear doesn't need permission to do what it wants, obviously referring to the fabled, powerful "Russian Bear."

Just to ruffle their Jimmies, I went over there and posted how the Kodiak is the largest brown bear on Earth and would put a pansy-ass Russian brown bear in its place. Russia can't even win the bear race against us. The irony!

Oh, I'm enjoying the reactions. Comic gold.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
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Omar the Chechen, that US-trained former member of the Georgian military that you were slobbering over because he was US-trained until I pointed out how many Chechens were former members of the Russian military.

He's one.

But yes, there are quite a few Chechens leading in the field. Probably because they've been fighting peaceful Russian for the last 300 years or so. During that time, you get quite a bit of experience with combat tactics.
 
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HAHN: Putin was right and he was wrong. His tendency was to try to portray the movement as purely being jihadist, even when there was still a nationalist element. He was right in that the then Chechen Republican of Ichkeria, of course later the Caucusus Emirate, had ties to al-Qaida and other groups. The problem was that the tactics that he used in the war, in the second war beginning in 1999, were equally as brutal as the tactics in the first war. And that just created a momentum for the radicalization of the movement. So he's also to blame for the emergence - partially to blame for the rise of Jihadism in the region.
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Hundreds Of Chechens Join ISIS, Including Group's No. 2 Leader : NPR
 
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volprof said:
Omar the Chechen, that US-trained former member of the Georgian military that you were slobbering over because he was US-trained until I pointed out how many Chechens were former members of the Russian military.

He's one.

But yes, there are quite a few Chechens leading in the field. Probably because they've been fighting peaceful Russian for the last 300 years or so. During that time, you get quite a bit of experience with combat tactics.
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US trained? :birgits_giggle:

You just proved Putin's point.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I hope a supermodel will hunt me down and ask me out.

Meanwhile, this, unsurprisingly, reflects many of the theories we've been treated to here.

Paranoid Russia Now Sees Enemies Everywhere | Opinion | The Moscow Times
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I read Patrushev's inane comments earlier this week. If it were as simple as the US wanting control of Russian territory and its natural resources, wouldn't the US have taken over Canada by now? Would be much easier and would not entail a nuclear threat. Canada has more oil reserves anyhow, and all you would have to do is roll tanks across the land border instead of shipping them all over the damn globe as a war with Russia would require.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Maybe this will allow people to also acknowledge that the Crimean/Eastern Ukraine elections to join Russia were also legit and the will of the people and not Russian coersion.
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Am I missing something? The way I read the article said the opposite of that. Everything in there was saying down with communism in Ukraine. Unless you are saying the reason they aren't getting the vote is because those areas have left and aren't part of it anymore.
 
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pretty sure the MSM has been saying the same thing for a while, I think Velo posted the Yahoo article which said they were taken out of context too.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Maybe this will allow people to also acknowledge that the Crimean/Eastern Ukraine elections to join Russia were also legit and the will of the people and not Russian coersion.
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Of course not. Those votes were conducted under foreign military occupation.
 
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