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Burhead said:
Even if it's truly for drills, the Russians don't seem to care what kind of messages this sends...
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Should they really? What kind of response would they realistically expect from this Administration? Wagging the no-no finger?
 
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Bjorn_Yesterday said:
It's nuts man. I follow several bilingual (Russian/American) journalists on twitter and they've been translating Russian social media propaganda since day 1.
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Do you have a Twitter list of them?



These poor eastern Europeans are simple enough to believe in this stuff.
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I can see how particularly the old folks could be subject for this kind of thing; just ask American scammers--old people are easier prey.

But the middle aged and younger people? They have the Internets there to easily debunk the outlandish nonsense, right?
 
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Where are the Nazi flags?

Kiev Celebrates What It Fought For

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Velo Vol said:
They do have a way with words.

Senior Putin advisor lashes out at ‘Nazi Frankenstein’ government as Ukraine signs historic deal | National Post
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I've heard a lot of accusations from the pro-Russian crowd, the most notable one so far being some posters on RT referring to Kiev as "Jew Nazi fascists." But that one, while it has a lot of spunk, is just a little unoriginal. A little too full of senseless vitriol as well.

But now "Nazi frankenstein," now this! This wins the award for most creative baseless accusation. And both are Germanic in origins! Excellent!
 
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Burhead said:
Also was reading yesterday that Russia's nuclear launch early warning satellite system has quit working. With the other preexisting system they only have a daily 3 hour window to cover any potential American launch.
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We'll tweet them and let them know when the missiles are coming.

This is a funny picture.

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Looks like he has phones, computers, and a microphone there, like a mini-mission control center.
 
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Velo Vol said:
We'll tweet them and let them know when the missiles are coming.

This is a funny picture.

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Looks like he has phones, computers, and a microphone there, like a mini-mission control center.
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That whole thing seems really odd. Why aren't there advisers there with him? Maybe he really has gone off the deep end and suffers from paranoia to the point where he will instigate a world war.
 
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davethevol said:
That whole thing seems really odd. Why aren't there advisers there with him? Maybe he really has gone off the deep end and suffers from paranoia to the point where he will instigate a world war.
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I think the man is stable. I don't think we have much to worry about from him, but you never know. Honestly, as I've said before in this thread, I'm more worried about Russia after Putin (kind of like Russia 1991-95, when it was teetering on civil war again). I think Russia after Putin might actually be more dangerous, especially coupled with economic and population decline and the major religious shift that is expected to take place there as the Orthodox folks age out and the Islamic keep birthing.

As much as I like to make fun of him, and even his biggest defenders have to admit he does lend himself to some odd criticism at times, I find the man absolutely fascinating. By far the most intriguing world leader.
 
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volinbham said:
Redline Part Tres'?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/27/world/europe/kerry-warns-russia-over-ukraine-separatists.html?_r=0
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This administration is trying to exercise leverage we don't have.

John Kerry said Thursday that Russia faced the prospect of toughened sanctions unless it took steps over the coming “hours” to pressure armed separatists in eastern Ukraine to give up the fight.
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We tried sanctioning Russia. You know what they did? They entered a trade treaty with China and several others-- basing it on the participant country's currency, thus threatening the globalized dollar standard. If the global dollar currency standard goes, America is hosed.

We drew a line in the sand, the called our bluff. It did nothing more than expose our weakness.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
This administration is trying to exercise leverage we don't have.



We tried sanctioning Russia. You know what they did? They entered a trade treaty with China and several others-- basing it on the participant country's currency, thus threatening the globalized dollar standard. If the global dollar currency standard goes, America is hosed.

We drew a line in the sand, the called our bluff. It did nothing more than expose our weakness.
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Putin snarls, but Obama gets the last laugh | MSNBC

This article suggests you might be jumping the gun a bit. Honestly, I see it both ways, which is why my official Ukrainian Crisis score tab remains:

Russia: 1
USA: 1
Ukraine: 0

Edit: Oh, and I forgot to add:

EU: Who gives a ****!
 
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And as far as China and the dollar are concerned, I agree it is an issue we should stay abreast of. However, regarding this particular crisis, Russia was going to sign a gas deal with China regardless. The crisis ended up pushing Russia into a bargain agreement that didn't completely benefit it.
 
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volprof said:
Putin snarls, but Obama gets the last laugh | MSNBC

This article suggests you might be jumping the gun a bit. Honestly, I see it both ways, which is why my official Ukrainian Crisis score tab remains:

Russia: 1
USA: 1
Ukraine: 0

Edit: Oh, and I forgot to add:

EU: Who gives a ****!
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VP, you typically post up some good stuff, but MSNBC as a source? I lost it right here:

Putin’s quite the grand master chess player. It takes a rare talent to push potential allies away, while tarnishing your country’s reputation on the global stage and pushing your economy into a recession.
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It's a Maddow blog, so I take it with a grain of...no, I think I need the entire salt mine.
 
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volprof said:
Putin snarls, but Obama gets the last laugh | MSNBC

This article suggests you might be jumping the gun a bit. Honestly, I see it both ways, which is why my official Ukrainian Crisis score tab remains:

Russia: 1
USA: 1
Ukraine: 0

Edit: Oh, and I forgot to add:

EU: Who gives a ****!
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No offense, but considering the first 2/5 was a Republican polemic, and the last 1/5 was an Obama orgy, and the middle was basically 'this hasn't played out yet', I'll stand by the economic press I've read on the matter.

One must ask a few questions:

Has Russia inked trade deals with several countries that break away from the American dollar as the global trade currency standard?

What happens to America if that trend continues and grows?

Does America have the global economic leverage to impose on Russia?
 
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Grand Vol said:
VP, you typically post up some good stuff, but MSNBC as a source? I lost it right here:



It's a Maddow blog, so I take it with a grain of...no, I think I need the entire salt mine.
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Yes, I agree. She is a very biased woman, although I personally often welcome her perspective, whether or not I agree.

Regarding this particular case, I think she has a point. Which is why I felt no shame linking her blog.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
No offense, but considering the first 2/5 was a Republican polemic, and the last 1/5 was an Obama orgy, and the middle was basically 'this hasn't played out yet', I'll stand by the economic press I've read on the matter.

One must ask a few questions:

Has Russia inked trade deals with several countries that break away from the American dollar as the global trade currency standard?

What happens to America if that trend continues and grows?

Does America have the global economic leverage to impose on Russia?
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Like I said in my previous response to Grand, I admit the flaws of the article writer and even the article. I do, however, agree with it's overall suggestion regarding Putin.

As far as your questions are concerned, they are legitimate. I think America is weakening. This is not necessarily Obama's fault. Nor is it necessarily Bush's fault. Rather, I think it is the result of almost twenty years now of "extremism" in our executive.

Which is why I'm going to be voting for the most moderate candidate I can possibly find come next election.

Wish me luck!
 
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volprof said:
Like I said in my previous response to Grand, I admit the flaws of the article writer and even the article. I do, however, agree with it's overall suggestion regarding Putin.

As far as your questions are concerned, they are legitimate. I think America is weakening. This is not necessarily Obama's fault. Nor is it necessarily Bush's fault. Rather, I think it is the result of almost twenty years now of "extremism" in our executive.

Which is why I'm going to be voting for the most moderate candidate I can possibly find come next election.

Wish me luck!
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Join me in trying to recruit Mitch Daniels.
 
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volprof said:
After looking at his Wikipedia page, I feel no shame in asking you what exactly his platform is. I'm receptive.

However,...

There's only so many hours in a day. Thanks!
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Since Ukraine has signed a EU deal, what will be the ramifications?
 
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volprof said:
Yes, I agree. She is a very biased woman, although I personally often welcome her perspective, whether or not I agree.

Regarding this particular case, I think she has a point. Which is why I felt no shame linking her blog.
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volprof said:
Like I said in my previous response to Grand, I admit the flaws of the article writer and even the article. I do, however, agree with it's overall suggestion regarding Putin.

As far as your questions are concerned, they are legitimate. I think America is weakening. This is not necessarily Obama's fault. Nor is it necessarily Bush's fault. Rather, I think it is the result of almost twenty years now of "extremism" in our executive.

Which is why I'm going to be voting for the most moderate candidate I can possibly find come next election.

Wish me luck!
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The problem I have is there is such an ingrained bias towards Obama in that blog that it just screams ignorance. I mean, just with the quote I posted replace Putin with Obama and you hit the nail on the head.

Here's some of the sources of her blog piece:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/28/opinion/friedman-putin-blinked.html?ref=opinion

Obama's strategy of letting Putin hang himself is working - Vox

And the problem is some of these have been overtaken by events as we've seen in recent days. And marginalizing the gas deal made with China is not smart.

If the article was less anti-conservative (the Romney quote was spot on IMO) and less I-Love-Obama-My-Messiah I could give it a little more than a token glance. Given the source though...
 
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volprof said:
Like I said in my previous response to Grand, I admit the flaws of the article writer and even the article. I do, however, agree with it's overall suggestion regarding Putin.

As far as your questions are concerned, they are legitimate. I think America is weakening. This is not necessarily Obama's fault. Nor is it necessarily Bush's fault. Rather, I think it is the result of almost twenty years now of "extremism" in our executive.

Which is why I'm going to be voting for the most moderate candidate I can possibly find come next election.

Wish me luck!
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I pretty much agree. Wasn't trying to say that the current weakness is solely this administration's fault. Just stating that I believe the current foreign policy is exposing our weakness by trying to exert leverage that we may not have.

It's all good. :hi:
 
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