Ukraine Protests

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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm going to come back and re-address this in the next 9-12 months. Germany and Russia will have closer relations than you think they could have.
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Okay lulz

When the Franco-German-Russian-Sino Pact is signed and we start facing the imminent threat of invasion, I'll let you say "I told you so!"
 
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We all know how the referendum turned out. Anyhow, Donetsk province is currently asking Russia to annex it. I imagine Luhansk will follow suit shortly.

Also, just a FYI, US Strategic Command is conducting its own nuclear drills this week.
 
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volprof said:
Need more context.
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I gather that the crowd was pushing in on some UKR national guardsmen and they responded with live ammo, shooting the guy in the leg.

It appears the local authorities are doing a poor job controlling crowds. Certainly happened in Odessa.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I gather that the crowd was pushing in on some UKR national guardsmen and they responded with live ammo, shooting the guy in the leg.

It appears the local authorities are doing a poor job controlling crowds. Certainly happened in Odessa.
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That's what I took from the video as well. The guardsmen' handling of that particular situation seemed pretty disastrous.
 
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It didn't have to go this way.

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Velo Vol said:
It didn't have to go this way.

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Complete 180.

Anyhow, I've been reading up on the referendum and apparently there was no actual option on it to join Russia. It was a simple yes or no vote for self-rule. And yet the head of the People's Republic of Donetsk is asking Russia for annexation. Didn't know that was an option the people voted for, but okay.

Are these people serious? I'm not sure even a second-grader could fall for this crap.
 
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Velo Vol said:
It didn't have to go this way.

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Bush's fault.

However, it shall be noted yet again that the whole "reset" thing was a complete and utter failure. Pulling our missile defense shield out of Eastern Europe has been a failure. Our entire foreign policy towards Russia has been a failure.

All ignored.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Bush's fault.

However, it shall be noted yet again that the whole "reset" thing was a complete and utter failure. Pulling our missile defense shield out of Eastern Europe has been a failure. Our entire foreign policy towards Russia has been a failure.

All ignored.
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I think it says more about the changes in Russia than any change here.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And what has been done yet to stop them?
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Nothing effective as of yet. Not sure anything will work, quite frankly. I just think the way that side is attempting to justify its "democratic" impulse is funny. I honestly don't think they care what the world thinks; just as long as it seems rationalized in the eyes of pro-Russians and Russians is all that matters.
 
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Either the polling in Ukraine is completely off the mark, or these referendums are a farce. Because every poll I've seen says a majority of the people want Ukraine to remain intact, even in the eastern oblasts, yet we have "90%" supporting autonomy in these referendums.

Go figure.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Bush's fault.

However, it shall be noted yet again that the whole "reset" thing was a complete and utter failure. Pulling our missile defense shield out of Eastern Europe has been a failure. Our entire foreign policy towards Russia has been a failure.

All ignored.
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I think much of this started under Bush and is the result of some of his policies. I think his pushing of the missile shield is what drove the final wedge between the West and Russia. He made Putin very paranoid of the US and it's allies.

Right or wrong, Bush played a large role in Russia's current policies.
 
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davethevol said:
I think much of this started under Bush and is the result of some of his policies. I think his pushing of the missile shield is what drove the final wedge between the West and Russia. He made Putin very paranoid of the US and it's allies.
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The same missile shield that Obama and company pulled to placate the Russians that griped about it?

And the same Obama Administration that has allowed the Russians to go unchecked in the foreign affairs realm? They know Obama is weak. They know he won't do diddly squat. This has way more to do with a weak and ineffective President that has unilaterally removed the US as the primary force in international elections and refuses to see his incompetence is causing all sorts of trouble that will continue well after he is gone.

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Right or wrong, Bush played a large role in Russia's current policies.
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For seven years of the Bush Administration, the Russians didn't do a thing. Only in the last year of his Presidency when he was a lame duck, had a hostile Congress and extremely low approval ratings did they act.
 
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I wonder if that poll has more to do with Americans simply forgetting about Russia as it does any particular American foreign policy concerning Russia. With the current Ukraine crisis, we were suddenly reminded of their presence again. Probably a bit simplified representation of things, but it wasn't exactly like the average American was giving Russia much thought in 2006.

On a related note, the following article isn't about the crisis per se but about its potential ripple effects. I have to say, Vice News is producing some quality articles and video journalism. Its coverage of the crisis has put the major networks and cable news sources to shame.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-u...o-karabakh-republic-faces-an-uncertain-future

Edit: article concerns the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
 
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