UGA vacate UT win

#26
#26
I don't care what he did. He did it for whatever reasons. I just want to know why isn't it being looked at for the teams that UGA has faced this yr and Gurley played in those games. A win is a win and I'll take it Gurley was the factor why we lost the UGA game if he hadn't rushed for 149 yds I doubt UT would have lost.

you realize the case is still under investigation right? Have you ever seen the NCAA in action? This came out like 5 days ago. No way are the punishments anywhere close to being handed out. Calm down, take a nap and wait 3 years to see what happens.

But, UT will not ever wind up with a W from that game, so don't even entertain that thought.
 
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#27
Hey, if you wanna be the best, you gotta get a vacated win from the best...,
 
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#29
you realize the case is still under investigation right? Have you ever seen the NCAA in action? This came out like 5 days ago. No way are the punishments anywhere close to being handed out. Calm down, take a nap and wait 3 years to see what happens.

But, UT will not ever wind up with a W from that game, so don't even entertain that thought.

I do still understand its under investigation. Its not like the entire program is being investigated like Ohio St. or Penn State its an individual player so shouldn't take forever to complete. I'm not saying they lose scholarships or sanctions just don't really get why the issue isn't being discussed.
 
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Hey, if you wanna be the best, you gotta get a vacated win from the best...,

I think its a proven fact that Tennessee football has gotten better under CBJ we lost by 3 to a much better UGA football team. We lost a 1 point game to a much more talented UF team. The gap is closing as evident in the on field play. I don't care how Tennessee wins as long as they win. If you work 8hrs your not gonna let your boss pay your for 7hrs. If we were cheated then we were cheated. Like I said there is a reason that Gurley is not playing right now and its obvious UGA would be playing an ineligible player. He was ineligible if found to be true when UGA played UT on 9/27.
 
#31
#31
The NCAA's new MO seems to be that they only vacate wins for an ineligible player if it's a massive violation (which Gurley's doesn't seem to be) or the staff knew and played him anyway (which doesn't seem to be the case).
 
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#35
#35
I started thinking about why does Georgia not have to vacate the Tennessee win if it is found true that Gurley took money for his autograph because the player would be found to have become ineligible correct? The reason why he isn't playing now is for that very reason if he is found out now and continuing to play UGA would have to vacate wins.

I know Michigan 92-93 basketball team had to vacate championship after Webber was found out and USC after Bush was found out. I want UT to have basically a 4th win this season and become bowl eligible and if this gets us one step closer then I'll take the win however I can get it. GO Vols

here ya go....read on this for a couple days til you possibly understand it..

NCAA policy on forfeits and vacancies
Generally
The NCAA has promulgated a formal policy on forfeits and vacancies. The policy describes the differences between the two sanctions, and how records of affected schools should be revised when such sanctions are imposed. In addition, the NCAA policy explicitly states that the NCAA will not change official records until a penalty has been ruled on by the NCAA Committee on Infractions.

In the case of a forfeit, the penalized team's win becomes a loss and the opponent's loss is changed to a win. In the words of the NCAA, "This affects season records, all-time records and coaches' records, and should be changed whenever and wherever these records are referred. Except for any student-athletes declared ineligible, the individual statistics are not affected by this action." The treatment of forfeits is straightforward and symmetrical and is easily noted in reports of official records. Accordingly other than urging editors to ensure that forfeited matches are properly noted where pertinent (for example, the policy includes "forfeit scores" to be recorded in each sport), forfeits are not discussed herein. Vacancies, however, may be reflected in the official records in a variety of ways.

Regular season vacancies
In the case of regular season games, the penalized team's win is removed from its official NCAA record. The losing team, however, retains the loss
, and individual statistics resulting from the subject game(s) are not affected other than for players declared specifically ineligible. These changes affect the penalized team's season records, all-time records and coaches' records. Thus for example, a team that was 10-2 during a season in which it fielded ineligible players would have its record revised to 0-2. Any team or coach streaks (e.g. wins, postseason appearances, team statistical streaks) are terminated. The NCAA prescribes that all records that are changed should be asterisked with the footnote stating something to the effect of “Later vacated by NCAA action.”


and furthermore
Anomalies and their resolution
By striking the win but not the corresponding loss in official records relating to regular season games, the NCAA policy results in a variety of anomalies, such as games of record that have losers but not winners, and series records between individual teams that differ depending on the team from whose perspective the series is described (the penalized team's all-time record not reflecting games that still appear in the opponent's).

The NCAA does not officially track series win-loss records, and has no policy for the treatment of vacated victories in such records. However, in 2009, at least three media reports discussing NCAA sanctions against the Alabama Crimson Tide football program stated that games with vacated wins are not counted at all in a series record between 2 teams.[4][5][6] While two of these reports are of uncertain reliability and do not establish or reflect an official NCAA position on the question, they are consistent with one another and thus as of the time of this essay would appear to reflect a consensus about how to reflect vacated wins in head-to-head series records. Omitting the game entirely in series records will not reflect the won-lost series records of either of the individual teams separately, and the method cannot be squared with the NCAA's express policy that only the win, and not the loss, is stricken. Nevertheless under the NCAA's asymmetrical method of recording vacated wins, inconsistencies cannot be avoided altogether and it is the consensus of the editors that treating "vacated wins" as wholly "vacated contests" for purposes of series records, when properly annotated, is cleaner, more concise and more easily understood than posting separate series records from each team's point of view; and that, barring contradictory statements from the NCAA or other reliable sources, series records should be reflected in that fashion.
 
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#36
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I started thinking about why does Georgia not have to vacate the Tennessee win if it is found true that Gurley took money for his autograph because the player would be found to have become ineligible correct? The reason why he isn't playing now is for that very reason if he is found out now and continuing to play UGA would have to vacate wins.

I know Michigan 92-93 basketball team had to vacate championship after Webber was found out and USC after Bush was found out. I want UT to have basically a 4th win this season and become bowl eligible and if this gets us one step closer then I'll take the win however I can get it. GO Vols

Gimme died. Got hit by a train.
 
#38
#38
here ya go....read on this for a couple days til you possibly understand it..

NCAA policy on forfeits and vacancies
Generally
The NCAA has promulgated a formal policy on forfeits and vacancies. The policy describes the differences between the two sanctions, and how records of affected schools should be revised when such sanctions are imposed. In addition, the NCAA policy explicitly states that the NCAA will not change official records until a penalty has been ruled on by the NCAA Committee on Infractions.

In the case of a forfeit, the penalized team's win becomes a loss and the opponent's loss is changed to a win. In the words of the NCAA, "This affects season records, all-time records and coaches' records, and should be changed whenever and wherever these records are referred. Except for any student-athletes declared ineligible, the individual statistics are not affected by this action." The treatment of forfeits is straightforward and symmetrical and is easily noted in reports of official records. Accordingly other than urging editors to ensure that forfeited matches are properly noted where pertinent (for example, the policy includes "forfeit scores" to be recorded in each sport), forfeits are not discussed herein. Vacancies, however, may be reflected in the official records in a variety of ways.

Regular season vacancies
In the case of regular season games, the penalized team's win is removed from its official NCAA record. The losing team, however, retains the loss
, and individual statistics resulting from the subject game(s) are not affected other than for players declared specifically ineligible. These changes affect the penalized team's season records, all-time records and coaches' records. Thus for example, a team that was 10-2 during a season in which it fielded ineligible players would have its record revised to 0-2. Any team or coach streaks (e.g. wins, postseason appearances, team statistical streaks) are terminated. The NCAA prescribes that all records that are changed should be asterisked with the footnote stating something to the effect of “Later vacated by NCAA action.”


and furthermore
Anomalies and their resolution
By striking the win but not the corresponding loss in official records relating to regular season games, the NCAA policy results in a variety of anomalies, such as games of record that have losers but not winners, and series records between individual teams that differ depending on the team from whose perspective the series is described (the penalized team's all-time record not reflecting games that still appear in the opponent's).

The NCAA does not officially track series win-loss records, and has no policy for the treatment of vacated victories in such records. However, in 2009, at least three media reports discussing NCAA sanctions against the Alabama Crimson Tide football program stated that games with vacated wins are not counted at all in a series record between 2 teams.[4][5][6] While two of these reports are of uncertain reliability and do not establish or reflect an official NCAA position on the question, they are consistent with one another and thus as of the time of this essay would appear to reflect a consensus about how to reflect vacated wins in head-to-head series records. Omitting the game entirely in series records will not reflect the won-lost series records of either of the individual teams separately, and the method cannot be squared with the NCAA's express policy that only the win, and not the loss, is stricken. Nevertheless under the NCAA's asymmetrical method of recording vacated wins, inconsistencies cannot be avoided altogether and it is the consensus of the editors that treating "vacated wins" as wholly "vacated contests" for purposes of series records, when properly annotated, is cleaner, more concise and more easily understood than posting separate series records from each team's point of view; and that, barring contradictory statements from the NCAA or other reliable sources, series records should be reflected in that fashion.



Preciate the information! Thanks! Oh yea and it didn't take a couple of days.
 
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#39
#39
I do still understand its under investigation. Its not like the entire program is being investigated like Ohio St. or Penn State its an individual player so shouldn't take forever to complete. I'm not saying they lose scholarships or sanctions just don't really get why the issue isn't being discussed.

You can't discuss penalties until you know what Gurley is guilty of. And how do we know what the NCAA is considering? The only thing we know is they aren't considering giving us a win.
 
#42
#42
I don't care what he did. He did it for whatever reasons. I just want to know why isn't it being looked at for the teams that UGA has faced this yr and Gurley played in those games. A win is a win and I'll take it Gurley was the factor why we lost the UGA game if he hadn't rushed for 149 yds I doubt UT would have lost.

UT doesnt get credit for the win.
 
#43
#43
I saw two women with a great sign in Geo-Mizzou: "I used to be a Gurly Girl, now I'm a Chubby Chick!"

Speaking of great signs, did anyone see the sign behind Corso-Herbstreit at espn game day for SCAR-Mizzou? ...It said: "Coach Spurrier has a small Chicken!" ROTFL
 
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#46
#46
I don't want it that way. Neither uga or Uf. We had both exactly where we wanted them and our coaching staff acted like some little *****e$ instead of continuing to try to score and put the games away. We played to not lose as opposed to trying to win. We don't want to win by default. We want to win by scoring more points than the other team
 
#47
#47
I don't want it that way. Neither uga or Uf. We had both exactly where we wanted them and our coaching staff acted like some little *****e$ instead of continuing to try to score and put the games away. We played to not lose as opposed to trying to win. We don't want to win by default. We want to win by scoring more points than the other team
 
#50
#50
I don't want it that way. Neither uga or Uf. We had both exactly where we wanted them and our coaching staff acted like some little *****e$ instead of continuing to try to score and put the games away. We played to not lose as opposed to trying to win. We don't want to win by default. We want to win by scoring more points than the other team
 
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