UF has no talent

[lawgator1]

Months ago I bragged about Chris Leak. I bragged about Florida's speedy receiving corps. Then the defense showed up against UT and I bragged about them.

What a fraud this Gator team is.

Utterly manhandled by LSU. But for five turnovers, a rout. Offense is absolutely awful and I think it is a lack of talent. After 7 games, some semblance of "getting it" when it comes to the spread option should be there. But that is not the problem. The problem is that the O-line couldn't block a one legged, dead tutle. This is one really bad UF football team.

You guys see USC beat Notre Dame? Those guys are winners. Both UF and UT are so far away from that level it is really depressing.

Even if Meyer recruits his butt off and gets what he wants to run his offense, Florida is four years away from being nationally competitive, minimum.

 

[checkerboard_charly]

hey, u have the same problem as us.

 

[checkerboard_charly]

did u ever think that this urban guy was a little overrated and beating up on mid majors?

 

[rwemyss]

Yup. Scary to say it, but we have the same problem. Good D, no O. I'm afraid it isn't a talent issue for either team though... it is coaching. Preparing the kids to play for UT, and offensive scheme for UF.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 15, 2005 8:09 PM
Months ago I bragged about Chris Leak. 
What a fraud this Gator team is.

Even if Meyer recruits his butt off and gets what he wants to run his offense, Florida is four years away from being nationally competitive, minimum.

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Arent you starting to doubt Meyer and his system a little bit?

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by checkerboard_charly@Oct 15, 2005 7:13 PM
did u ever think that this urban guy was a little overrated and beating up on mid majors?

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No, and I still don't. I do not think it is lack of intensity or discipline or anything traditionally coaching related. I am willing to give the guy five or six years to get it going.

Right now, it is the lack of anything resembling up front, in your face, speed and strength. The offensive line, in particular, is horrific.

Changing and simplifying blocking schemes in two weeks against Ga. might help some and I would not put it past a refreshed UF squad to get lucky against UGA for one 3 hour period, much as it did against UT.

But over the course of a season, we are seeing the Gators exposed for the lack of big linemen.

 

[rwemyss]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 15, 2005 8:19 PM
But over the course of a season, we are seeing the Gators exposed for the lack of big linemen.

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and a lack of an offensive scheme that will actually work against a good SEC defense.

 

[mexicanjunkie]

Personally, I think Leak has to learn how to win. He has to toughen up. It seemed all day he was scared to throw an INT so he just overthrew the ball.

I think Urban will right the ship. I mean he has turned the D around. Now it's the O that has major issues. I think part of that has to do with heart on everybody's part. The WRs were nonexistent too.

I am a supporter of Leak and will always support my team through thick and thin but someone has to teach the O to toughen up. It's bad when your starting QB says on sportscenter that he is scared when he plays.

 

[Low Country Vol]

Welcome to our hell lawgator1, At least there is one thing we have in common. We know the pain in watching a pathetic offensive line to go along with an unproductive qb. Georgia will run away with the east. It wont be close.

 

[MesoVol]

I think the Gators screwed themselves by hiring Meyer. Last year they led the league in offense but struggled defensively. Instead of looking for defensive help, they go out and hire a coach with a completely different system not having the right personnel for the system. Although the defense is better, the offense is much worse with basically the same players.

Good move.

I didn’t think Zook was very good but I believe this team would be much farther along this year if they had kept him and maybe next year, at least until Meyer can get his guys for his system.

If his system works at all. JMO.

 

[VolFirebirds]

Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 15, 2005 8:19 PM
I am willing to give the guy five or six years to get it going.

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you'll be the only one.....this is a different era, guys. you don't HAVE 5 or 6 years to get it going.

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by VolFirebirds@Oct 15, 2005 8:01 PM
you'll be the only one.....this is a different era, guys. you don't HAVE 5 or 6 years to get it going.

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I really think that the Gator nation does not want another transition. Will he be criticized? Of course. But will people run him out on rails like Zook just for some 7-4 seasons while he gets the program headed in the right direction for the long haul? I don't think so. At least not those of us over 35 with long memories.

 

[ChestBumper]

ATLEAST two more losses coming.

Georgia and FSU.

Until Urban gives up on Leak or his offense, he won't win.

 

[utvols1]

Originally posted by VolFirebirds@Oct 15, 2005 8:01 PM
you'll be the only one.....this is a different era, guys. you don't HAVE 5 or 6 years to get it going.

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Went to some Gator boards today and they sound like some are starting to think if hiring Coach Meyer was a good idea and if the spread offense will work in the SEC. Looks like after today’s lose it’s getting worse. Seems to me if you’re a great coach as Coach Meyer supporters say he is, then why don’t you introduce your new offense slowly and coach to the players you have now. Florida’s offense is not that bad. But it will be if you don’t coach to the offensive team’s strength. Let the players now play the way they were recruited for. If they are getting to Leak because of blocking up front then leave a blocker back there to help out. Get away from the spread offense and use it conservatively. When a team in the SEC sees your going to leave a QB by himself in the backfield with five receivers they will blitz until you beat them on a few plays. Defensive team speed is incredibly fast in the SEC by the time the QB has time to set up someone will be on him to make him rush the pass. In my opinion Coach Meyer does not have 4 or 5 years. I’ve heard he said 2 either way by the time he gets the offense he wants most SEC teams will have already figured out how to make it less and less effective that is if it even becomes a great weapon. Like one post said time will tell but the Gator clock is ticking.

Just my :twocents:

 

[rwemyss]

I don't care who the players are. Utah could have played Auburn last year instead of the undeserving Pitt team, and everyone would already know... the system doesn't freakin' WORK. Does anyone honestly think the Utah O could have moved the ball on Auburn's D last year? If you do, you're insane.

 

[NCGatorBait]

I'm not ready to give up on this offense quite yet. But if Leak continues to play I think he needs to go back to a more traditional style offense. It's like putting a square peg in a round hole with Leak running this O. Not a dual threat.
OL is my biggest concern and the WR's are banged up now. Other than that I think UF will be fine.

 

[rwemyss]

Speaking of OL play... Did you see Wahlabama against Ole Miss? Did the gators hurt that OL and make them play scared this week or something? We have problems on the OL too, that's why we can't run... but 'bamas looked just as bad against Ole Miss.

 

[lawgator1]

Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Oct 16, 2005 10:18 AM
I'm not ready to give up on this offense quite yet. But if Leak continues to play I think he needs to go back to a more traditional style offense. It's like putting a square peg in a round hole with Leak running this O. Not a dual threat.
OL is my biggest concern and the WR's are banged up now. Other than that I think UF will be fine.

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I agree. It would be better to put Leak into a more traditional offense and drop back passing style. The two problems I see right now with trying to use that offense with this team are 1) Leak is no threat to run and defenses don't really have to account for that possibility and 2) the offensive line is not good enough to move defenses off of the line of scrimmage -- the best this bunch can do is slow them down.

We have a week off. Would like to see the team go back to I formation or two back sets -- even use the option formation if need be -- to run quick patterns, draw plays, standard running plays straight at the line. No more waiting eons for plays to develop because there is not enough protection.

In the meantime, Meyer needs to be planning some trips to Kansas, and Nebraska, and Oklahoma to recruit some of these big kids out of the West and Mid-West for the O-line in future years. Gator line is giving up 25 or 30 lbs. a man to some of these defensive lines and they just cannot hold off players of that strength and size for four quarters.

 

[Lexvol]

I never really believed in Karma much, but between the two of them, Chris Simms and the Leak family managed to set the UT program back quite a few years.

I thought Leak was a shoe in based on his performance in the HS allstar game, but his time has come and gone. Leak is not the man to run this offense.

Be careful about what you wish for on the O line. It seems that in UM offense, the lineman can be optioned off w/o being blocked. Seems to me what you need are O lineman that can at least get off of the line and hinder speedy SEC linebackers from making plays.

The defense has really been able to spread your outside plays to the sideline (the exception of course being the reverse for a TD against UT).

I am not condeming the offense just yet, but I do contend that UM will have to tweak the very foundation of this offense to adjust to the speed of the SEC.

 

[dan4vols]

I agree,,,look at the Broncos a few seasons back, havent checked lately but they used to have a line about 265-275 average....and good quickness

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 16, 2005 4:54 PM
I never really believed in Karma much, but between the two of them, Chris Simms and the Leak family managed to set the UT program back quite a few years. 

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leaks a disappointment IMO. I think he was the no. 1 or 2 prospect out of high school. But he's certainly not the no. 1 or 2 qb in the nation. He may be 2nd team all sec, first team QB is proably GA's starting QB right now. Pretty sad finish to Leaks career, going out the way he is.