UCLA in a lot worse shape than thought

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Pennheel said:
Yeah,while understandable from a financial standpoint,I was not really crazy about it either. Its like throwing Cal,Stanford and SMU in the ACC. A head scratcher.
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I will make an argument that the decimation of the Pac-12 was not good for the overall health of college football which includes the Big-10 and the SEC. I think those two conferences greedily going after every scrap they can get their hands on is often to the detriment of the health and viability of CFB writ large. Some other figures have tried to argue this. And the motivations of those who pull heavily against this should be questioned!

That's just speaking macroscopically about it. There are bigger problems even within the big 2 conferences. There's massive disparity between the top of the league and the bottom in terms of NIL budget. On revenue sharing everyone is on equal footing but the top schools are going way beyond revenue sharing. There are systemic issues in CFB right now and those with the most power to affect change are balking at the changes that will be required. Danny White has stuck his neck out there saying they are going to have to collectively bargain with athletes, but I've heard arguments even that isn't a great solution.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
I will make an argument that the decimation of the Pac-12 was not good for the overall health of college football which includes the Big-10 and the SEC. I think those two conferences greedily going after every scrap they can get their hands on is often to the detriment of the health and viability of CFB writ large. Some other figures have tried to argue this. And the motivations of those who pull heavily against this should be questioned!

That's just speaking macroscopically about it. There are bigger problems even within the big 2 conferences. There's massive disparity between the top of the league and the bottom in terms of NIL budget. On revenue sharing everyone is on equal footing but the top schools are going way beyond revenue sharing. There are systemic issues in CFB right now and those with the most power to affect change are balking at the changes that will be required. Danny White has stuck his neck out there saying they are going to have to collectively bargain with athletes, but I've heard arguments even that isn't a great solution.
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I think what was really bad about the Pac 12 dying off is that it created such imbalance. if the remaining P4 had split the big Pac 12 schools, its probably not so bad. Or what if they just joined the Big 12 instead? Suddenly the Big 12, still with Texas and Oklahoma, looks pretty compelling with Oregon, USC in it too.

Force ND to join the ACC, with WVU, and you get some pretty well balanced leagues.

the imbalance between the top and the bottom is the real issue. imo
 
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RandomUTfan said:
I will make an argument that the decimation of the Pac-12 was not good for the overall health of college football which includes the Big-10 and the SEC. I think those two conferences greedily going after every scrap they can get their hands on is often to the detriment of the health and viability of CFB writ large. Some other figures have tried to argue this. And the motivations of those who pull heavily against this should be questioned!

That's just speaking macroscopically about it. There are bigger problems even within the big 2 conferences. There's massive disparity between the top of the league and the bottom in terms of NIL budget. On revenue sharing everyone is on equal footing but the top schools are going way beyond revenue sharing. There are systemic issues in CFB right now and those with the most power to affect change are balking at the changes that will be required. Danny White has stuck his neck out there saying they are going to have to collectively bargain with athletes, but I've heard arguments even that isn't a great solution.
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Ultimately, I think a lot of fan and administrative apathy in that part of the country not just for college football, but for college sports in general is the culprit there. "It just means more" is a trite phrase that is easy to make fun of, but it is also true. There just aren't all that many programs that take sports as seriously as comparable midwest or eastern US schools - the only one that I would say definitely does at the moment is Oregon. Maybe you can argue USC got back to that spot after hiring Lincoln Riley, but just doesn't have the results to show for it.

Other than UCLA, the Southern California schools aren't even all that good at baseball anymore and most of the really good players from there go to southern schools.
 
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05_never_again said:
Ultimately, I think a lot of fan and administrative apathy in that part of the country not just for college football, but for college sports in general is the culprit there. "It just means more" is a trite phrase that is easy to make fun of, but it is also true. There just aren't all that many programs that take sports as seriously as comparable midwest or eastern US schools - the only one that I would say definitely does at the moment is Oregon. Maybe you can argue USC got back to that spot after hiring Lincoln Riley, but just doesn't have the results to show for it.

Other than UCLA, the Southern California schools aren't even all that good at baseball anymore and most of the really good players from there go to southern schools.
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Football out West will never be what it is in the Deep South. NIL has really tilted the scales so far out of balance that California kids no longer want to play in California. Taxes are a part of it in addition to cost of living.

I will continue to question the sanity of giving a Head Coach a guaranteed 90 million dollar contract like USC. had to give Riley to hire him away from OU. You deincentivize winning. Coaching is a hard job! I heard some of Kalen Deboer's staff are 9-5'ers. I mean, fine, but don't expect to get the results staffs who are out-working you will get. But it's easy to NOT coach. To NOT recruit 24/7 365 including your own roster. It's MUCH easier to get paid anyway and do whatever Jimbo Fisher is up to right now. I suspect, though, that USC doesn't have A&M money to buy out Riley if things don't go swimmingly.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
Football out West will never be what it is in the Deep South. NIL has really tilted the scales so far out of balance that California kids no longer want to play in California. Taxes are a part of it in addition to cost of living.

I will continue to question the sanity of giving a Head Coach a guaranteed 90 million dollar contract like USC. had to give Riley to hire him away from OU. You deincentivize winning. Coaching is a hard job! I heard some of Kalen Deboer's staff are 9-5'ers. I mean, fine, but don't expect to get the results staffs who are out-working you will get. But it's easy to NOT coach. To NOT recruit 24/7 365 including your own roster. It's MUCH easier to get paid anyway and do whatever Jimbo Fisher is up to right now. I suspect, though, that USC doesn't have A&M money to buy out Riley if things don't go swimmingly.
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THIS... 👆 👍

GBO
 
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RandomUTfan said:
Football out West will never be what it is in the Deep South. NIL has really tilted the scales so far out of balance that California kids no longer want to play in California. Taxes are a part of it in addition to cost of living.

I will continue to question the sanity of giving a Head Coach a guaranteed 90 million dollar contract like USC. had to give Riley to hire him away from OU. You deincentivize winning. Coaching is a hard job! I heard some of Kalen Deboer's staff are 9-5'ers. I mean, fine, but don't expect to get the results staffs who are out-working you will get. But it's easy to NOT coach. To NOT recruit 24/7 365 including your own roster. It's MUCH easier to get paid anyway and do whatever Jimbo Fisher is up to right now. I suspect, though, that USC doesn't have A&M money to buy out Riley if things don't go swimmingly.
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USC is a little bit of an enigma. It’s a big school with tons of rich alumni. However, less than half of the school’s enrollment are undergrads. That combined with the many undergrads who didn’t grow up college football fans leaves you with few college student fans. They do have lots of well to do alumni but most don’t care about football but I’m not sure USC really tries to hit them up for money for sports.
 
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