Tyson Helton Offense

#102
#102
Trojan Princess said:
Tee was the playcaller on 1st and 2nd downs, Tyson on 3rd downs...which was our weakness. Doesn't mean Tyson's playcalling wouldn't fit Vol's scheme and players.

Coach Helton stepped away from offensive play calling, turned it over to those two in order to be more involved as a HC for the entire team. Maybe y'all didn't notice, since you don't watch our games, but every time our defense took the ball away from opposing offenses, they ran to the sidelines to hand the ball to their HC, not the referees. Every single time. That's how much CCH was involved with the entire team.
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That is literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard and if true everyone on the entire USC staff should be fired just for coming up with such a stupid scheme. Let me get this straight, Tee is a “genius” coordinator on downs 1-2 but instantly has the IQ of a banana on third which is the most critical down? Tyson is a bumbling idiot but is given play calling duties on the most crucial down yet is terrible at it? Clay Helton is an offensive “mastermind” yet willfully allows two lesser coaches run his offense even though he doesn’t fully trust either of them?
 
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landscapingvol said:
That is literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard and if true everyone on the entire USC staff should be fired just for coming up with such a stupid scheme. Let me get this straight, Tee is a “genius” coordinator on downs 1-2 but instantly has the IQ of a banana on third which is the most critical down? Tyson is a bumbling idiot but is given play calling duties on the most crucial down yet is terrible at it? Clay Helton is an offensive “mastermind” yet willfully allows two lesser coaches run his offense even though he doesn’t fully trust either of them?
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B-sideVol18 said:
It does matter to a degree. A pro style offense is not an offense that is as well suited to beat teams like Alabama and Georgia as a spread offense, ceteris paribus. It relies a lot on having more talent than the other team. Spread offenses do a better job of masking being a less talented team. But being uptemp helps with that as well. It can be successful here, but those are the facts of the matter.
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The facts of the matter are if you run a spread offense you better have some power running ability in it if your expect to beat the good sec teams. Too many spread offenses lose the physicality, we have seen it time and time again and that is the FACTS of the matter. Spread teams that cannot run the ball aren't going to win. It's better to have balance. Much prefer a power fast hitting running game than the delayed finesse crap that Jones ran. When your at the 1 teams have to respect that you can run the darn thing in. Not go 5 wide out without your best running back even in the game. Some spread teams can't mask the fact they can't run the football very well and they get their arse handed to them against the better teams because of it. Too much spread equals too much finesse. I want a power team that is balanced, that can run some spread. Even the NFL has some teams that won't even try to run it in from the 1. Some teams go to far with the spread. Georgia and Bama run both, but they can both run the football in power formations when they need too. Jones teams never had a power running game. Never. GBO!!!!
 
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#111
#111
I think our O will be very muck like he ran at Western Kentucky that averaged 44 points per game.

I also think it will take at least 2 or 3 solid recruiting classes to get the right types of players we'll need for our O and especially for our D.

You can bet that after we're putting 40+ points per game on the board and Pruitts D is working well like he's going to demand, we're going to be a damn hard Team to beat.

Then we'll see the old FEAR of having to play Tennessee come back like it used to be and like it should always remain.

I hate to be a patient man but it will be worth it to get back to waking up every Saturday and damn well EXPECTING a great game and getting another WIN.

The good old days are on their way back!

VFL...GBO!!!
 
#112
#112
Whatever we run has to have a element of a downhill running game. Spread offenses that aren't physical in the trenches will not win in the SEC at the highest level, this has been well documented. Teams that don't have the ability to get the tough yards and in goaline situations aren't going to cut it. I think we will see the return to offensive lineman that don't play stand up and pitty pat at the LOS. The sec is a mans league, you got to be tough at the LOS or it's all for naught. I have confidence that MAYBE FINALLY we will quit being a passive delayed slow developing running oriented offense. It's time to get back to playing tough minded football, I think we will be a hybrid type of offense. You have to have balance and too many times spread offenses get away from the physical side of their running games, when you get away from that you get away from winning in the SEC. That is FACT. GBO!!!!
 
#113
#113
The fact is we don't know what the Helton offense o play calling is like. He has never had his own offense or called plays for someone else's offense on any downs.
 
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#114
k-town_king said:
The fact is we don't know what the Helton offense o play calling is like. He has never had his own offense or called plays for someone else's offense on any downs.
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Pretty much the case for any offensive minded head coaches but he has been an offensive coordinator at some capacity for two different head coaches so there is no doubt in my mind that he learned a few things from both situations
 
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landscapingvol said:
Pretty much the case for any offensive minded head coaches but he has been an offensive coordinator at some capacity for two different head coaches so there is no doubt in my mind that he learned a few things from both situations
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I think he will do well with his resume. I'm just saying he doesn't have a track record for us to know exactly what his offense or play calling will look like.
 
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