Tyler Bray No. 2 QB in KC

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BearCat204 said:
I think they keep Bray and cut Smith next year. Stave is the expendable one here IMO. They go into the 2018 season with Mahommes starting and Bray as backup IMO. They will save 17M in cap by cutting Smith in 2018.
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That would almost certainly mean playing time for Bray. If Mahomes is overrated then Bray will get a shot and even if he does prove serviceable, QB's like him unfortunately don't usually last as long in the NFL as a pocket passer. More prone to injury and once he gets older and his speed has diminished he's just an average passer. Dual Threat, Air Raid and Spread Offense quarterbacks have not exactly been associated with longevity in the NFL.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Dobbs also had much better overall talent around him and didn't play for a complete idiot like Dooley.
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Do you mean played with better defensive talent? Bray threw to Hunters,Rogers, Patterson, and Rivera and was protected by the best O line we've had since late 90's,early 00's.

Your dead on about Dooley, though.
 
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Smokey'sHandler said:
I agree with all said above. The biggest thing Bray will have going against him now is the investment made into Mahomes. A top 10 pick no matter what his intangibles are or how he fits into the system will have a free ticket to the front of the line. No franchise is going to waste a top 10 pick on a guy who is going to be 3rd on the depth chart, optically that would be an unwise investment.
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Alex smith is garbage
 
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Biopsyman said:
Alex smith is garbage
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Nah. Jay Cutler is garbage. Blaine Gabbert is garbage. Case Kaenum is garbage. Mark Sanchez is garbage. Alex Smith is good. Best word to describe him is efficient. He won't ever be elite or be the reason a team gets to the promised land, but he's definitely not garbage.
 
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NeverWe'llSever said:
Nah. Jay Cutler is garbage. Blaine Gabbert is garbage. Case Kaenum is garbage. Mark Sanchez is garbage. Alex Smith is good. Best word to describe him is efficient. He won't ever be elite or be the reason a team gets to the promised land, but he's definitely not garbage.
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Efficient means you don't win in the playoffs
 
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I don't think this impacts Bray as much as people presume. It's Alex Smith that this will effect. Either Smith stays or Mahomes becomes the starter. Bray probably stays on as backup if the Chiefs cut Smith.
 
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bamawriter said:
Right or wrong, Mahomes already beat Bray. He beat Bray the moment he was picked.
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It's sad that a Bama fan has to get on here and speak the truth...

Just proves that line from an Eagles song....

"You can see the stars and still not see the light..."

It's not just that KC took a QB in the first round...they traded UP in order to take that QB....

Bray's elevation on the depth chart makes him TRADE BAIT....

I'd bet he won't even be in KC by 2018....
 
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WildTurkey said:
It could be argued that Alex Smith is who he was drafted to beat...not Bray.
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Not with any reasonable intelligence....

It could also be argued that Bray's elevation on the depth chart makes him more attractive trade bait.....

Smith will be the guy for the next few years while Mahomes develops....

That's usually how it works....
 
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bamawriter said:
He'll be in competition with Smith. Bray won't be a factor. Again, not saying that's fair or unfair. But money is going to dictate how this plays out.
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that position. I just wonder with how far the Chiefs went up (and what they gave up) to get PM, would they really do that to cut ties with Bray?

Bray may very well end up a casualty in this, but if I'm Alex Smith, I'm nervous.
 
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WildTurkey said:
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that position. I just wonder with how far the Chiefs went up (and what they gave up) to get PM, would they really do that to cut ties with Bray?

Bray may very well end up a casualty in this, but if I'm Alex Smith, I'm nervous.
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I'm not familiar with Smith's contract situation. Assuming he is cost prohibitive, you may be right.
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm not familiar with Smith's contract situation. Assuming he is cost prohibitive, you may be right.
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Cutting Alex Smith would result in $9.2 mil in dead cap space this season.

Were it to happen next year, still fairly significant ($3.6 mil in dead cap space).

He only had a 4 year contract though if I'm correct.
 
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Volinnooga said:
are you saying youd rather have Bray than Dobbs?
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You must be a fool if you think talent wise the two are even in the same conversation. Dobbs is an elite athlete who throws the football and uses his athleticism to hide his shortcomings. Bray was an elite passer with an astoundingly good pocket presence who used his talent to hide his weaknesses. They are not comparable.

If both players had exactly the same weapons all around them Bray is who you want. Dobbs had far better teams AND coaches around him at every stage of his UT career, and he still couldn't do the things Bray did.

This is not a negative to Dobbs. As far as athleticism is concerned he's one of the best QB's you'll see, and he knows his weaknesses and the coaches covered them as best they could. Bray's weaknesses were his coaches and defense.
 
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I have been very curious as to why Andy Reid has kept Bray around, especially after the injuries and drafting a QB in the 2016 5th round (Kevin Hogan - Stanford) and 2014 5th round (Aaron Murray - Georgia). Murray was around for a couple of season and Hogan was cut before the 2016 season, but Andy Reid must see some potential in Bray. Andy Reid is well respected for his opinion on QBs. I don't think Bray stays in KC, but I do think Reid vouches for him and someone picks him up. This is just my opinion.
 
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If KC traded up for a QB, wouldn't that put their 3rd string at risk more than their 2nd string or 1st string?
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
Doesn't matter. Mahomes is where the organizations money is. They have several million reasons why Mahomes HAS to be the guy or it makes the suits look like tards. Bray is done in KC.
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That ignores one fact--if the organization really believed Bray was the guy, they would not have felt the need to draft a QB.
 
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Daloth said:
You must be a fool if you think talent wise the two are even in the same conversation. Dobbs is an elite athlete who throws the football and uses his athleticism to hide his shortcomings. Bray was an elite passer with an astoundingly good pocket presence who used his talent to hide his weaknesses. They are not comparable.

If both players had exactly the same weapons all around them Bray is who you want. Dobbs had far better teams AND coaches around him at every stage of his UT career, and he still couldn't do the things Bray did.

This is not a negative to Dobbs. As far as athleticism is concerned he's one of the best QB's you'll see, and he knows his weaknesses and the coaches covered them as best they could. Bray's weaknesses were his coaches and defense.
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Yu fail to take into account the leadership comparison of the two. Its not even close. Brays weaknesses were far more than his coaches and his defense.
 
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Volinnooga said:
Yu fail to take into account the leadership comparison of the two. Its not even close. Brays weaknesses were far more than his coaches and his defense.
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Not really, he was almost a statue, but that's about the worst thing.
 
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This article was just smokescreen to make a team like Texans be less aggressive move up.

KC gave up a lot to get Mahomes.
 
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