Tyler Bray discussion (merged)

I'll admit too I didn't think Crompton would turn it around last year. I never said the coaches were wrong for leaving him in, but I did think he was a bad quarterback. He surprised me, and I hope the same thing happens this year. Still, it seems like you are making excuses for Simm's poor performance. I am still waiting to hear about TANGIBLE strengths or abilities he has shown on the field. I just haven't seen them.

Me too, man. Me too. I think everyone is. But he may have it in him. 1.5 games, depending on what situations there are, is not enough to write him off. Especially since you wrote him off before he even stepped foot on campus.
 
Me too, man. Me too. I think everyone is. But he may have it in him. 1.5 games, depending on what situations there are, is not enough to write him off. Especially since you wrote him off before he even stepped foot on campus.

We probably agree more than we think. I'm not writing him off and saying he absolutely sucks no questions asked. I am saying to this point he has done nothing to convince me. If he comes out and has a great game next week, I will be a man and admit I was wrong, but until then I don't think I am bad for holding my opinion. That's all it is, an opinion. Simply stated if I had to bet a million bucks on him being a good or bad qb, I would pick bad based on the evidence I have in front of me. But who knows, we will just have to wait and see.
 
If they aren't and there is no prayer of salvaging a season, you play the guy most likely to start next year.

there is a lot more to reaching that decision then one's athletic ability. many, many factors weigh in... dedicatrion, ability to communicate, ability to listen, film study, meeting room study and participation, practice reps, etc. etc. all those factors determine who has best future even when one far from the other athletically
 
Please Dooley, start Bray next game. Simms is not going to get it done. Bray is the future. Give him a chance; he has much, much more upside than Simms. I will be very disappointed if Dooley doesn't give Bray the nod next week.

Sometimes I have to wonder about our fans when I read things like this. Do you really think that DD would start Simms if Bray were ready? Do you expect DD to throw Bray into the fire and risk destroying his confidence ala the Titans and Vince Young? Do you really think that a qb change can completely offset the shortcomings we have across the board? Is such a move really worth taking a chance on considering the circumstances? Simms is the least of our worries right now. There's no quick fix here. We're going to take our lumps no matter who is under center. It's time UT fans just accepted the hill we have to climb and the rough spots along the way. Put Manning under center with this team and we'll still struggle to make .500.
 
At least with this situation, I understand the mentality. Stephens was just 1 year behind Crompton, but Bray is a freshman. Fulmer Started Ainge his freshman year, I can see the rationale behind starting him now in preparation for 2 years from now

we're not competing for anything this year anyway, and Simms does really suck. I heard his dad on the radio talking about how he is a paid consultant on QBs, and I thought, wow.
 
You guys are more delusional that I thought if you think Simms isn't our best option at QB right now....
 
No coach would ever do that and keep his job. How do you think if would go over if the coach said "Well, we aren't going to win any more games this year, so I'm playing the second string to prepare for next year" ?

It happens a lot late in the season.
 
Some of the UT fans are finicky. Look at the game again UT Martin, Bray did not perform that great and some on here came out and said that he sucked. How is it that we can say he sucked against UT Martin and today say that he needs to be starting? It is time for the fair weather fans to man up and realize that in sports, growth takes time. Other than the interception against the Ducks on Saturday Simms did not do that bad. If you go back and watch the game his receivers flat out dropped some catchable passes. The only things that I see is he tends to stare down his receivers and he sometimes appears clumsy in his foot work. Coach D stated in an interview that Simms is not staring down a particular receiver, most of the time there is multiple receivers in the area and he is making reads. So as for him staring down receivers, that may just be an outsider’s opinion; I think that the Coach should know best. At the end of the day, we have what we have and we need to get behind this young team. I for one don't believe that we are lacking so much in talent as mentality. We were putting it on the Ducks early, however after the pick six our guys lost the edge. Has anyone heard anything on Nash Nance, is he not the QB that was tossing TDs to D. Rodgers in high school? Not sure if he is supposed to be that great or not, just not heard anything lately. Go Vols
 
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Some of the UT fans are finicky. Look at the game again UT Martin, Bray did not perform that great and some on here came out and said that he sucked. How is it that we can say he sucked against UT Martin and today say that he needs to be starting? It is time for the fair weather fans to man up and realize that in sports, growth takes time. Other than the interception against the Ducks on Saturday Simms did not do that bad. If you go back and watch the game his receivers flat out dropped some catchable passes. The only things that I see is he tends to stare down his receivers and he sometimes appears clumsy in his foot work. Coach D stated in an interview that Simms is not staring down a particular receiver, most of the time there is multiple receivers in the area and he is making reads. So as for him staring down receivers, that may just be an outsider’s opinion; I think that the Coach should know best. At the end of the day, we have what we have and we need to get behind this young team. I for one don't believe that we are lacking so much in talent as mentality. We were putting it on the Ducks early, however after the pick six our guys lost the edge. Has anyone heard anything on Nash Nance, is he not the QB that was tossing TDs to D. Rodgers in high school? Not sure if he is supposed to be that great or not, just not heard anything lately. Go Vols

+1. And I think right now Nash is third behind Bray because he didn't get to UT early like Bray did.
 
crompton was 3rd.

our fanbase is dumb.
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I hope you are including yourself in that group, because clearly you didn't see my point. The key thing to note is that our 3rd string QB last year was better than our starter is this year...
 
Let's see....
Simms threw and INT against the #5 team in the nation.

Bray threw an INT against UT Martin.

Yep, let's go with Bray. :huh:

I doubt Bray will ever start. If UT is able to keep the Worley committment, he will start. UT staff loves this guy.
 
Nashvol2, please tell us why Simms is a "solid QB" or a "field general" with some tangible evidence. I honestly don't think you can.

He's only played 2 games for us. I can't give you anymore solid evidence than what is there. I'm basing my opinion on what I have seen and my knowledge of the game as someone who has played the game. I'm not talking about results, because that's yet to be determined. I'm talking about a visual evaluation of talent. He has a solid arm. Seems to have the confidence one needs for that position.

As far as going through his progressions, that has to do with experience, play calling, and play design. If you watch the Oregon game again, you will notice that many of the pass plays only have 2 routes. Many times 2 and 3 extra players are in pass protection (TE's, HB's, FB's) Also, to keep it simple for Simms and for our very young line he only has 2 reads before he has to attempt a pass or throw the ball away. I believe the offensive scheme will change and become more elaborate once the confidence in the team improves.

Personally, I thought the play calling was a little too conservative in the Oregon game. Too much max protect. I think you HAVE to get Stocker in the game and use your backs over the middle to keep the defense honest against Florida.
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You guys are more delusional that I thought if you think Simms isn't our best option at QB right now....

True.

He just is.

Bray will have his day. IMHO, he will be a very good UT QB.

He just is NOT ready yet emotionally, mentally, or physically. I really wish there were a way to RS him.
 
He's only played 2 games for us. I can't give you anymore solid evidence than what is there. I'm basing my opinion on what I have seen and my knowledge of the game as someone who has played the game. I'm not talking about results, because that's yet to be determined. I'm talking about a visual evaluation of talent. He has a solid arm. Seems to have the confidence one needs for that position.

As far as going through his progressions, that has to do with experience, play calling, and play design. If you watch the Oregon game again, you will notice that many of the pass plays only have 2 routes. Many times 2 and 3 extra players are in pass protection (TE's, HB's, FB's) Also, to keep it simple for Simms and for our very young line he only has 2 reads before he has to attempt a pass or throw the ball away. I believe the offensive scheme will change and become more elaborate once the confidence in the team improves.

Personally, I thought the play calling was a little too conservative in the Oregon game. Too much max protect. I think you HAVE to get Stocker in the game and use your backs over the middle to keep the defense honest against Florida.
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until the staff believes the pass protection can perform the game planning and play calling will be what we saw versus Oregon. certainly when we are playing good teams. that might not be until November that the OL gets to that point.

it takes offensive lines several games of playing together to become cohesive IF they are all outstanding players who have not played together before. We have youth mixed in with players who have played very little even though they have been around a long time. This line may not get where they need to be until next year..

I still will not be surprised to see Shaw and Pope replaced at some point as starters.
 
There is zero logic in Bray not getting reps against Oregon. No, we're not coaches, but why bother playing him against UT-Martin if you weren't going to play him a few series against Oregon? Especially after we were getting blown out.

I don't doubt that Simms can win some games, but why let Tyler Bray sit there for two years and then have to learn the same way Simms has...under fire in his Junior season.
 
If Simms stays at QB Tenn only gets wins against Kentucky and Vandy in the SEC. ( if they play each other) It will be a long, long season.

One of the worst performances I have seen from a QB. I have a buddy that played in the NFL and scouts often for a d-1 team and he agrees. take your lumps with Bray, it cant get any worse. Get Bray some experience now. Short passes and screens will only go so far.

Sorry Vols, the def better play lights out against Fl or prepare to be taken to the wood shed. Don't get me wrong I'm pulling for Tenn, but I'm being realistic.
 
Simms j/c stats:

159 passses in 269 attempts for 2204 yards in 10 games. He had 17 TD’s and 12 INT’s.

and as I quoted elsewhere:

Compare to Nick Lamaison's JC #s:

"Completed 246-of-385 passes (64%) for 3,479 yards and 36 touchdowns against only eight interceptions while leading Mt. San Antonio to 12-2 mark and berth in California state title game"
 
No, we're not coaches, but why bother playing him against UT-Martin if you weren't going to play him a few series against Oregon?

he could still be redshirted this season if he doesn't play anymore. coaches do that all the time. they get some freshman reps in first game and then come up with an injury situation to redshirt the player.

I'm not saying that is what is going on here but I've seen that many times. Alabama did it last year with about 5 of their freshman.
 
he could still be redshirted this season if he doesn't play anymore. coaches do that all the time. they get some freshman reps in first game and then come up with an injury situation to redshirt the player.

I'm not saying that is what is going on here but I've seen that many times. Alabama did it last year with about 5 of their freshman.

how is Bray's head about it? He seem OK with what's transpiring and a potential RS?
 
how is Bray's head about it? He seem OK with what's transpiring and a potential RS?

Not saying that is what they are doing just offering that as a possible reason he didn't play versus Oregon.

I've not heard anything that indicates Bray has any disatisfaction with how he is being handled.
 

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