Tyler Bray discussion (merged)

#251
#251
Remember this is my opinion, some will agree but I know most will not. I'm just expressing it and hopefully I will get some respectable opinions back as well.

Does anybody else want Bray to start? To take his beating during our rebuilding year and gain experience with our talented Freshman receivers and o-line.

Everybody was saying the best thing to happen to Garrett Gilbert was to get thrown into the mix and take is beating last year... Why not the same for Bray because Simms is not the answer. I know it was only one game for GG, but I'm really impressed with how our o-line is playing and think Bray would make it through the season.

Another one of my opinions is that Stocker is our best option, or second best behind Poole, on offense. And Simms will not throw the ball to anybody other than Jones until he got hurt, and now Moore. Stocker was waving his hands and picking his nose on a couple of plays while Simms stared at Denarius Moore like he was a joint about to get rolled.

Also, the couple "long" throws we've had, other than one in the UT-Martin game where way under thrown... Had it not been for Hunter being a freak of nature athlete, that pass against Oregon would have been picked or in-complete.

Lets hear your thoughts!
 
#255
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LawVol13 said:
Yes, obviously. So, we're not playing Bray because he has the possibility of getting hurt? That's ridiculous. The bottomline is that Simms is not a long term solution here. You and I both know that. Let's let Bray get in there and make his mistakes this year. And be ready to lead this team come next year. I'm shocked that so many people are such big Simms supporters.
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I can only speak for myself. It's not that I'm a Simms supporter, its just that I believe the coaches know who's better, or maybe in this case, who's the least bad. I would be ok with Bray getting the start against UAB or something like that, but against UF, putting in someone new probably wouldn't help as much as it would hurt. It's only the third game. I don't know if he'll get better or worse as the season goes along. I just know Simms has 2 games over Bray and had a good first half against OR. If the UF game gets out of hand, Bray should play, then we'll see if he's capable of starting. Even then, it won't matter because the coaches will do what they think is best. Just my :twocents:
 
#256
#256
fla said:
simms has a head start on most kids. just because of lineage, but does not have the arm for the sec. If he was lightning fast runner as a dual threat, but thats not the case, I will say this he stands in the pocket with hoof beats or maybe (duck feet) pretty good. But he's not the whole team dropped passes, punt coverage, wrap up tackling. etc.
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Simms has the arm, just made the one terrible choice and really never took any chances. He seems to be locking in on receivers and doesn't move much in the pocket. Too many balls batted down. He gives us the best chance to win right now and I hope he can improve but there are more problems than QB on the team right now.
 
#258
#258
jmsbolt said:
Simms did hold the ball to long on several throws. He may have eyed the receivers a little too much. But.... It was his second start in an orange jersey!!!! further more his first start against a good defense. I felt like he made a couple really good throws, showed some good arm strength. I think he will learn from his mistakes and we will be competitive in most of our games. Overall it is a team loss. I think Matt will do a fine job. Bray is not ready to play yet. With that said lets give the Gators our best shot!!! GO VOLS!
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This EXACTLY!
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#259
#259
Simms isn't Clausen or Manning. Bray threw a pick against UTM. Simms is our best chance of winning against FL. We must stick to our game plan (running the ball). Simms just started his second game. Simms didn't quit after the pick 6.
 
#260
#260
Sims holds the ball too long and stares down his recievers way too much - which is why many of the balls were batted down.
 
#261
#261
timbowyn said:
duh. but the problem is... he has receivers open, stars at them, runs towards them staring, until some defender closes the play.
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This statement is simply a gross over exageration. He stairs his one guy down a little long, yes. The o-line is the youngest o-line to take the field in the SEC in 20 years! The play calling was admittedly simple. Dooley said himself that if we have to, we will run only 10 plays but run them well. Every drop was a 3 step drop. That's what our passing game consists of right now because the situation we are in dictates the calls. He's being told to make the quick read and throw. He has solid arm strength and he does think that he can fit the ball in so he stairs them down a bit.

With that said, we should see improvement over the year from the o-line to the receivers and the play calling options will get better.
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#262
#262
LawVol13 said:
Please Dooley, start Bray next game. Simms is not going to get it done. Bray is the future. Give him a chance; he has much, much more upside than Simms. I will be very disappointed if Dooley doesn't give Bray the nod next week.
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No
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#263
#263
I will put money on the fact that Sims starts the rest of the year. Dooley will pull a K*f*n and stick with his guy and I agree completely. We have to give this offense time to improve as a unit. That means at least 5-6 games. Believe it or not, Sims is a solid quarterback. He's no Peyton but not many are. He hasn't arrived fully yet but will improve along side this offense as a whole.

We have a lot going against us. Experience across the board, young o-line, new RB, partially new scheme, new coaching staff save a few. Some people on this board don't seem to understand how big of a deal this stuff is. You can keep complainging about Sims, but mark it down, he will improve and so will this team over the length of the season.
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#265
#265
squoshua17 said:
17 td's 12 ints in juco... And that was with kenbrell thompkins at wr. I didn't know where simms was originally from - new jersey??? I didn't even know they play football up there. Also, how many batted balls were thrown by simms? I saw 3 or 4. Perhaps it's the fact that he's only 6'2''. Maybe it's that he throws the ball like a shot-put. Gotta think bray's 6'6'' stature would eliminate some of that.

If simms couldn't cut it at louisville or in juco, why does anybody think he can perform well now in the sec? At least crompton was the #2 qb in the nation coming out of high school... The talent was there with him. I just don't see it with simms.
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+10000000000000000000000
 
#266
#266
To some degree your right, Sims doesn't have elite talent. But you don't have to have elite talent at QB. That's been proven over and over again. As far as the roster, this staff has what it has. We have other playmakers besides the QB and the coaches believe Sims gives us the best opportunity to get the ball to the playmakers. If we gain some talent at QB (if) by starting Bray, we loose the advantage by having a field general that doesn't know all of the tactics (playbook). He has to learn the playbook and the basics of leading the team before he is a factor.
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#267
#267
Nashvol2 said:
I will put money on the fact that Sims starts the rest of the year. Dooley will pull a K*f*n and stick with his guy and I agree completely. We have to give this offense time to improve as a unit. That means at least 5-6 games. Believe it or not, Sims is a solid quarterback. He's no Peyton but not many are. He hasn't arrived fully yet but will improve along side this offense as a whole.

We have a lot going against us. Experience across the board, young o-line, new RB, partially new scheme, new coaching staff save a few. Some people on this board don't seem to understand how big of a deal this stuff is. You can keep complainging about Sims, but mark it down, he will improve and so will this team over the length of the season.
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I'm trying not to be a jerk or anything, but I don't think you can back up that claim. Look at high school, Louisville, JUCO, OW Game, and this season, and I just don't see any evidence that supports your claim. I agree we need to trust our coaches, but that does not mean we cannot look at the hard evidence and conclude Simms JUST AINT GOT IT.
 
#268
#268
Nashvol2 said:
To some degree your right, Sims doesn't have elite talent. But you don't have to have elite talent at QB. That's been proven over and over again. As far as the roster, this staff has what it has. We have other playmakers besides the QB and the coaches believe Sims gives us the best opportunity to get the ball to the playmakers. If we gain some talent at QB (if) by starting Bray, we loose the advantage by having a field general that doesn't know all of the tactics (playbook). He has to learn the playbook and the basics of leading the team before he is a factor.
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If Simms (two m's) were a "field general" he would look at more than one receiver on the field. He would need to see the field he was the general over. How can you back up your claims?
 
#269
#269
Nashvol2, please tell us why Simms is a "solid QB" or a "field general" with some tangible evidence. I honestly don't think you can.
 
#271
#271
With all the criticism of Simms on VN, Bray's name keeps popping up in the conversation as "soon to be the starter".

I thought last year would have taught some people a lesson but it is apparent that one was not learned.

It is amazing the similarities between last year and this year. (with the exception of quality starts for the Qb's)

Simms will not be replaced for 3 reasons.

1. Bray is the only backup to see any significant practice time and have any chance of learning the new offense enought to warrant playing time. If we bench Simms, not only would it be a blow to the mentality of Simms, but the coaching staff would bascially be teeling him that he was done. The situation was the same last year between Crompton and Stephens. Once you take your starter out and replace him, mentally he is done. His confidence is gone because whether it is said or not, the coaches confidence in his abilty is gone. Therefore the backup situation is toast. Nance would be the next #2 which we might as well put poole and oku in at Wildcat if that happens.

2. NONE of our Qbs have game experience. NONE!
It takes being in the "intangible" situations, that Dooley keeps referring to, to get better and learn from mistakes. If we replace Simms with Bray then we basically are starting over. Simms has had 2 games now with meaningful snaps and that would be 2 more than Bray. So by default he's ahead of Bray.
A Qb can only develope and learn so much in practice. Dooley wants to keep his job not lose it because of bad coaching decisions.

3. Simms has ability. Just ZERO big game experience until Oregon. He made one really bad decision and several really bad throws. He's still light years ahead of Crompdaddy at this time last year. I have faith that Dooley and his staff will be able to straighten his head out if he continues to work at it.

Did anyone really expect Simms to be great right off the start? I know we all had our fair share of Orange kool-aid this off season but REALLY? REALLY? We are playing one of the hardest schedules in the SEC arguabluy in the nation. We cant expect to be great instantly. Our past administraions left our cupboards bare and our program in utter dissarray. We will continue to get better. We will win some games this year. We will definitley lose a few more.

I was particularly hard on Simms after Sat night too. But never did I ever think the solution is to replace him with Bray. This would be a fatal mistake.

The solution is for Simms to get better. Take extra time to study film, read defenses and for god's sake learn how progessions are done from the pocket. The pro style offese is based on a Qb's ability to read through progressions of WR's and TE's and this is what hes is lacking the most.

We (All UT Fans) need to get behind Simms and encourage our team to work harder and get better weekly, adjust to the good and bad points of the game, and for God's sake, don't throw in the towwel so damn early in the game.

Thanks for letting me rant VN.

GO BIG ORANGE
 
#272
#272
well said. Dooley obviously thinks Simms is a better option than Bray, so I think I'll trust the coach on this one.
 
#275
#275
With Simms in at QB against UF, what do you think our offensive gameplan will be? It seems like our only real option is handing it to Poole most all the time (with a few PA passes mixed in). I don't see how this is going to work against Florida's D. I'm not saying Bray should be starting, just genuinely asking how do you think the coaches are going to try to go at it offensively this week with what seems to be a total lack of a passing game?
 
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