Two NYPD Officer Ambused in Patrol Car

#301
#301
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Would Garner have died that day if not for the aggression of the cops?
Click to expand...
Died does not equate murdered in this case.

Perhaps you missed out on earlier posts where this very point was addressed: would have Garner died that day if not for his resisting arrest which precipitated the "escalation of force" required to take him into custody?

Would Garner have died that day if he were not repeating an offense for which he had been convicted of previously, was on probation for and had three open cases pending for the same thing?

How far back do you want to take this and how much of Garner's own responsibility in his own demise do you want to ignore?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#302
#302
37L1 said:
Died does not equate murdered in this case.

Perhaps you missed out on earlier posts where this very point was addressed: would have Garner died that day if not for his resisting arrest which precipitated the "escalation of force" required to take him into custody?

Would Garner have died that day if he were not repeating an offense for which he had been convicted of previously, was on probation for and had three open cases pending for the same thing?

How far back do you want to take this and how much of Garner's own responsibility in his own demise do you want to ignore?
Click to expand...

Fact of the matter is Garner was killed by government regulation. The government sent it its thugs to enforce their "laws" and collect their pound of flesh. It makes no difference what word you use, the man is dead over what amounts to pocket change.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#303
#303
37L1 said:
He wasn't just choked out he was "murdered" according to Septic.
Click to expand...

I see that my use of the word murder bothers you.

I concede that the proper term that I should have used was unintentional homicide. :hi:
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#304
#304
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Fact of the matter is Garner was killed by government regulation. The government sent it its thugs to enforce their "laws" and collect their pound of flesh. It makes no difference what word you use, the man is dead over what amounts to pocket change.
Click to expand...

:salute: Yep, sh!t happens like this everyday to hard-headed people if you don't do what your told to do by those that represent the LAW. You tell a police officer no I'm not going to jail & see what happens.
 
#305
#305
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Fact of the matter is Garner was killed by government regulation. The government sent it its thugs to enforce their "laws" and collect their pound of flesh. It makes no difference what word you use, the man is dead over what amounts to pocket change.
Click to expand...

The only fact here is that he died bc he broke the law and resisted arrest.....I, personally, hate your way of thinking. Im thankful I live in this country with its laws and ways of governing. Could it be better and are their things I wish would change? Yes, but I am very thankful to have been born an American.
 
#306
#306
Septic said:
I see that my use of the word murder bothers you.

I concede that the proper term that I should have used was unintentional homicide. :hi:
Click to expand...

It should bother you too, but it doesn't. "Unintentional homicide" connotes a meaning a whole lot different than "murdered" and adds a dimension to the rhetoric that helped lead to the "murder" of these two patrolmen.

But thank you, Sir, anyway.
 
#307
#307
Yep, submit or die. I got it.

Thing is, if the cops had at the very least checked on the man they had on the ground after the 5th time he said he can't breathe, he might still be alive.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#308
#308
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yep, submit or die. I got it.

Thing is, if the cops had at the very least checked on the man they had on the ground after the 5th time he said he can't breathe, he might still be alive.
Click to expand...

He had a heart attack in the ambulance but was breathing while laying on the ground. The officer did check on him.
 
#309
#309
volbeast33 said:
The only fact here is that he died bc he broke the law and resisted arrest.....I, personally, hate your way of thinking. Im thankful I live in this country with its laws and ways of governing. Could it be better and are their things I wish would change? Yes, but I am very thankful to have been born an American.
Click to expand...

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#310
#310
37L1 said:
It should bother you too, but it doesn't. "Unintentional homicide" connotes a meaning a whole lot different than "murdered" and adds a dimension to the rhetoric that helped lead to the "murder" of these two patrolmen.

But thank you, Sir, anyway.
Click to expand...

Rhetoric doesn't pull the trigger of a gun no matter how much you insist otherwise. One man's mental instability lead to the two dead cops.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#312
#312
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Click to expand...

That's freaking ridiculous......I would love to see how u would handle actual oppression that people face in other countrys.


"People like to whine and b*tch too much" ME LOL
 
#313
#313
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Fact of the matter is Garner was killed by government regulation. The government sent it its thugs to enforce their "laws" and collect their pound of flesh. It makes no difference what word you use, the man is dead over what amounts to pocket change.
Click to expand...

He was killed by his own failure to comply.

He knew the law, having been arrested, convicted, probationed and having three more cases on the same thing pending. So you can't say he didn't know, but you could say his disobedience was deliberate based on his track record. He knew the consequences of his actions, there is no doubt.

He had previously been arrested for resisting arrest so he knew the consequences of that as well and yet what did he do?

What part of his own stupid fault don't you understand?

Cops don't write the laws but are tasked with enforcing them, petty or important. Mr. Garner wasn't going to obey that law or the law that mandated that he not resist arrest. He took a petty infraction and turned it into a misdemeanor/felony by his own actions. Why aren't you talking about that law he was breaking?

It's not the gravity of the law that matters, it's about his failure to comply.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#314
#314
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Was that worth the pocket change the state would've collected on the cigs he was accused of selling?
Click to expand...

Yes bc he was breaking the law.....What would you have done if you were the cops.......The person that u need to be asking that to is Eric Garner.....was his actions worth it?
 
#316
#316
Septic said:
Rhetoric doesn't pull the trigger of a gun no matter how much you insist otherwise. One man's mental instability lead to the two dead cops.
Click to expand...

and those that fan the flames to focus his madness in a specific direction have no responsibility right?

Hitler would have loved you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#317
#317
37L1 said:
and those that fan the flames to focus his madness in a specific direction have no responsibility right?

Hitler would have loved you.
Click to expand...

Godwins law. Just saying.

Oh and btw, the just following orders "laws" defense went away with the Nuremburg trials.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#318
#318
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Godwins law. Just saying.

Oh and btw, the just following orders "laws" defense went away with the Nuremburg trials.
Click to expand...
And did those trials stop human behavior? Who is talking about "defense"? People still use rhetoric to get people to do things that they ordinarily wouldn't.

Stir 'em up and set them loose.
 
#321
#321
37L1 said:
And did those trials stop human behavior? Who is talking about "defense"? People still use rhetoric to get people to do things that they ordinarily wouldn't.

Stir 'em up and set them loose.
Click to expand...

You missed my point. Oh well.

At what point does the cops discretion come in?
 
#323
#323
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Godwins law. Just saying.

Oh and btw, the just following orders "laws" defense went away with the Nuremburg trials.
Click to expand...

So a buisness man opens a business of selling widgits. Then a guy walks up in front of his store and sells widgits, only his widgits are in an opened box and he's selling them to people without making sure they're responsible enough to know what a widgit is capable of. What does the anarchist do?
 
#324
#324
tim said:
So a buisness man opens a business of selling widgits. Then a guy walks up in front of his store and sells widgits, only his widgits are in an opened box and he's selling them to people without making sure they're responsible enough to know what a widgit is capable of. What does the anarchist do?
Click to expand...

You just described ebay
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#325
#325
tim said:
So a buisness man opens a business of selling widgits. Then a guy walks up in front of his store and sells widgits, only his widgits are in an opened box and he's selling them to people without making sure they're responsible enough to know what a widgit is capable of. What does the anarchist do?
Click to expand...

Nothing. What would the government do?
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement

Back
Top