Twenty Long Years

#76
#76
luthervol said:
I'm fairly certain our record from 2009-2018 would have been better under Fulmer.
TN spiraled aimlessly for 15 years.
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Yeah he probably would have been better than Derek Dooley. Apparently that’s lifetime contract status.
 
#77
#77
Wahoooo said:
I still believe that if D Dooley had hired any half way competent DC in his last year, he would have coached a few more years. That offense was really good, loaded with NFL talent. However, when you have to outscore Troy and have the last possession to win, you know you have trouble.
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The offense was loaded with NFL talent that was primarily recruited by Kiffin. Dooley wasn’t building a decent program and once all those OL and Bray left we were going to be even worse. The man made it a point to offer a scholarship to a recruit from his high school every year. The coach of a five star safety from Chattanooga that ended up at Ohio State said they couldn’t even get Dooley to call the kid.

Also, Dooley couldn’t hire a decent DC because no one wanted to work for him.
 
#78
#78
West Vol said:
Yeah he probably would have been better than Derek Dooley. Apparently that’s lifetime contract status.
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lol...
When Vitello left and people were so upset, Fulmer kept coming to mind.
Once you win a natty, you need to jump to the next gig....because you're only a couple of down years (which in inevitable) away from those adoring fans turning on you and screaming for your head.

This way, Vitello will always be remembered fondly by everyone.
 
#79
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luthervol said:
lol...
When Vitello left and people were so upset, Fulmer kept coming to mind.
Once you win a natty, you need to jump to the next gig....because you're only a couple of down years (which in inevitable) away from those adoring fans turning on you and screaming for your head.

This way, Vitello will always be remembered fondly by everyone.
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He went ten years without a championship. The only decade we’ve done that since like the 20s was the awful 70s. He had a losing record to Saban, Meyer, Richt, Spurrier, Tuberville, Miles and some of those guys it wasn’t just a losing record, but an awful record. His time was up.

Vitello could walk away from the Giants next year and have a top tier college job instantly. Fulmer let it be known he still wanted to coach and got token interest from Kansas.
 
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West Vol said:
He went ten years without a championship. The only decade we’ve done that since like the 20s was the awful 70s. He had a losing record to Saban, Meyer, Richt, Spurrier, Tuberville, Miles and some of those guys it wasn’t just a losing record, but an awful record. His time was up.

Vitello could walk away from the Giants next year and have a top tier college job instantly. Fulmer let it be known he still wanted to coach and got token interest from Kansas.
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Like I said.....leave while your on top.
 
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#81
Rickyvol77 said:
2001, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2007 were good to great teams, I wouldn't call them "regressed"
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I can respect that. 07 cam down you needing to win the last 2 games one was trailing 24-9 to Vanderbilt and a 4 ot game against Kentucky. They were also smoked on the road at Cal and Florida that season.
 
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#83
vols40 said:
Your point was soundly thrashed and you agreed..... That's a bold strategy
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What?

I said he shouldn't have been fired. I never backed off of that.

I said the way he was let go shows why it's smart for a coach to leave while they are on top - like Vitello did.


Maybe you need to go back and reread. That may not be a bold strategy, but it would be a smart one for you.
 
#84
#84
luthervol said:
What?

I said he shouldn't have been fired. I never backed off of that.

I said the way he was let go shows why it's smart for a coach to leave while they are on top - like Vitello did.


Maybe you need to go back and reread. That may not be a bold strategy, but it would be a smart one for you.
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Maybe you don't understand what is going on. Tony did not leave on top. He left for a chance to coach in MLB. It's only coincidence that it happened when it did considering he's the only college coach to actually make the jump right to big League mgr. In seeing you funny understand this everyone else here understands why you are so wrong about Phil "not deserving" to get fired.
 
#86
#86
Every coach is going to lose some games. It's inevitable. But the way Heupel loses some of these games is mind boggling. I know there are a lot of couch coaches here, and sure, consider me one of them, but things like clock management, and being able to see trends of what the opposing team is doing during the game is a BASIC football skill. Huepel doesn't do either consistently. You would think he would learn from his mistakes. He doesn't. If you haven't pounded it into your offense that on 4th and 1 we're going to line up and run the ball down our opponents throat for the first down and make your team believe they can do it, you're wrong. Nope, we've lined up twice and thrown the ball...one for a 99 yard pick six to end the half, and another to a freshman tight end for a turnover on downs to end the game after a timeout. Really coach? You felt your best option was to put the game in the hands of a freshman tight end that hadn't caught a pass all game in that situation?

I think we've seen CJH's celing here at Tennessee or anywhere else for that matter. He's just above average as a coach. Nothing more. He's going to get this team to a 10 win season every now and then, but he doesn't have the mindset nor the coaching acumen to win anything of significance. When you make the kind of mistakes he makes in year7 or 8 of being a head coach, they're no longer mistakes....it's just who you are.
 
#87
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PalmettoStateVol said:
Every coach is going to lose some games. It's inevitable. But the way Heupel loses some of these games is mind boggling. I know there are a lot of couch coaches here, and sure, consider me one of them, but things like clock management, and being able to see trends of what the opposing team is doing during the game is a BASIC football skill. Huepel doesn't do either consistently. You would think he would learn from his mistakes. He doesn't. If you haven't pounded it into your offense that on 4th and 1 we're going to line up and run the ball down our opponents throat for the first down and make your team believe they can do it, you're wrong. Nope, we've lined up twice and thrown the ball...one for a 99 yard pick six to end the half, and another to a freshman tight end for a turnover on downs to end the game after a timeout. Really coach? You felt your best option was to put the game in the hands of a freshman tight end that hadn't caught a pass all game in that situation?

I think we've seen CJH's celing here at Tennessee or anywhere else for that matter. He's just above average as a coach. Nothing more. He's going to get this team to a 10 win season every now and then, but he doesn't have the mindset nor the coaching acumen to win anything of significance. When you make the kind of mistakes he makes in year7 or 8 of being a head coach, they're no longer mistakes....it's just who you are.
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LOL the 8th winningiest HC in the country is "above average"

And there was nothing wrong with the 4th and 1 play call, the guy was wide open, as he was schemed to be.

If he had ran the ball and gotten stuffed, you would be saying "why didn't he pass the ball"
 
#88
#88
Tin Man said:
If you're out on Josh Heupel, I'm out on you as a respectable football mind

I’ve pasted this all over the FF threads full of handwringing doubters and naysayers. Thanks for not being one of them, OP.
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That article is right on except for its use of the d-bag Big 10 hack Joel Klatt as a source, as if he is some sort of accepted "expert" on the sport. His preseason verbal fellatio of Penn State and Drew Allar as national champ and Heisman favorites kills any shred of credibility he might have ever had, and is only the latest of his warped bias toward the Big 10 and obvious hatred of all things SEC. There isn't a national media hack I have any use for, but Klatt has proven himself over and over as an unapologetic shill for the Big 10, who he essentially works for.
 
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