Turkey's Erdogan

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Seriously.
This guy doesn't consern anyone else?



What if I said I think he's the anti-Christ?
I don't, but have heard someone insinuate that he is.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
Seriously.
This guy doesn't consern anyone else?
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He's kind of been discussed in the Turkey thread.

I think he's a very dangerous individual. Kind of a mix between the Ayatollah Khomeini and the Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. From the religious aspect, he reminds me of the Ayatollah. From the purges of his opponents, he reminds me of the Shah. But either way, he's created a dangerous situation in Turkey.
 
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I was rooting for the coup. That should tell you all you need to know about what I think about our ally Erdogen.
 
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It is good you all are finally having a debate and discussion about Erdogan. I have had this guy on my radar for a while and was getting laughed and mocked at by the usual suspects regarding Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is good you all are finally having a debate and discussion about Erdogan. I have had this guy on my radar for a while and was getting laughed and mocked at by the usual suspects regarding Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
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He's always been a schmuck. Now he's an emboldened schmuck. That has my attention.
 
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Amazing that we're just sitting on the sidelines while this guy purges the military, courts, press, universities, etc. because well at the end of the day he was democratically elected. That doesn't excuse what he's doing. But Kerry says it's ok because they use our preferred method of government. Sort of.

I'm sure there's pressure for us to maintain relations so we don't kicked out of Incirlik but maybe we should try to make friends with someone else over there.
 
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I think Erdogan has seen the writing on the wall. He's now reaching east in order to hold on to his totalitarian regime...

Between a rock and a hard place..
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Or, how about this... how about we get the hell out of there all together?
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As long as Ahmed and Youssef want to plot against us over here, we will still be over there making sure they get their virgins. And with Russia acting up we can't leave. Too much at stake in that side of the world to abandon it.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
As long as Ahmed and Youssef want to plot against us over here, we will still be over there making sure they get their virgins. And with Russia acting up we can't leave. Too much at stake in that side of the world to abandon it.
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First off, maybe if we leave them alone, they will only be left with having regional tribal beefs with each other. Secondly, maybe if we would stop choosing sides, we wouldn't have arms going from one side to the other. Thirdly, Russia has been methodically bombing ISIS and stopping their cash flows from the sell of oil to Turkey and other NATO nations. Fourthly, instead of kicking off WWIII, Russia has come in and de-escalated things over there in a manner that the US either could not do or was unwilling to do. Now instead of Russia and Turkey going to war with each other, they are engaging in trade and commerce. Lastly, what business is it of ours what goes on 6000 miles away from us? We need to mind our own damn business.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
First off, maybe if we leave them alone, they will only be left with having regional tribal beefs with each other. Secondly, maybe if we would stop choosing sides, we wouldn't have arms going from one side to the other. Thirdly, Russia has been methodically bombing ISIS and stopping their cash flows from the sell of oil to Turkey and other NATO nations. Fourthly, instead of kicking off WWIII, Russia has come in and de-escalated things over there in a manner that the US either could not do or was unwilling to do. Now instead of Russia and Turkey going to war with each other, they are engaging in trade and commerce. Lastly, what business is it of ours what goes on 6000 miles away from us? We need to mind our own damn business.
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As much as you may want to return to 1843, the world is sort of our business now. It's a global economy and we're all a part. Like it or not we have to protect our interests throughout the world, economic and political.
 
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basically slice I think it boils down to we don't want to get involved in another regime change. and I am all for us keeping our hands out of that situation.
 
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I agree with all discussed above. In foreign affairs you are either IN or you are OUT. This current administration has chosen to try both in and out at the same time. First they said "why should we get involved and risk casualties", now they are saying, "WTF are we going to do with all the refugees"? At the same time, they have made a mortal enemy of Russia, the only country capable of maintaining a nuclear war across oceans. Total disaster.

If Turkey goes tribal then they need to be extracted from NATO.
 
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Turkey is key in US/Russia geopolitics. Turkey is a powerful and influential country in that region, but it's not a global power like the US or Russia, so essentially, he's going to be under the influence of one of these nations in today's world.

Relations with the US have been deteriorating for a while now and the Russian trade and economic sanctions in response to the downing of a Russian jet are starting to bite. Throw in the attempted coup, which I believe he thinks the US was behind. Desperate times require desperate measures, hence the apology to Putin here recently..

He's got to pick a side. He doesn't stay in power very long doing his own thing..imo.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Turkey is key in US/Russia geopolitics. Turkey is a powerful and influential country in that region, but it's not a global power like the US or Russia, so essentially, he's going to be under the influence of one of these nations in today's world.

Relations with the US have been deteriorating for a while now and the Russian trade and economic sanctions in response to the downing of a Russian jet are starting to bite. Throw in the attempted coup, which I believe he thinks the US was behind. Desperate times require desperate measures, hence the apology to Putin here recently..

He's got to pick a side. He doesn't stay in power very long doing his own thing..imo.
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I doubt that seeing as it was his plan.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Turkey is key in US/Russia geopolitics. Turkey is a powerful and influential country in that region, but it's not a global power like the US or Russia, so essentially, he's going to be under the influence of one of these nations in today's world.

Relations with the US have been deteriorating for a while now and the Russian trade and economic sanctions in response to the downing of a Russian jet are starting to bite. Throw in the attempted coup, which I believe he thinks the US was behind. Desperate times require desperate measures, hence the apology to Putin here recently..

He's got to pick a side. He doesn't stay in power very long doing his own thing..imo.
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Oh please he was behind his own coup
 
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LouderVol said:
I doubt that seeing as it was his plan.
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Yep. He's using the US as a villain to unify the Turks. Brilliant move on his part. If we had a strong leader then there would have been a better reaction to his claims.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Very possible. He's blaming it on the US to establish a firmer grip....how's that?
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:thumbsup:

it wasn't until the massive purge afterward that I really thought he was behind it. things went too clean for him for it to have been real.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
As much as you may want to return to 1843, the world is sort of our business now. It's a global economy and we're all a part. Like it or not we have to protect our interests throughout the world, economic and political.
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What interests do we have in Syria, Iraq or Turkey? Or anywhere in the Middle East for that matter?

What interests do we have in the South China Sea? In the Black Sea?
 
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