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#77
#77
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Game is sold out, a ton of TVs are on the game (granted, I have slept or ignored much of it, but it's on,) and they are getting paid big money for the games.

The CFP is fine with this.
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I think it’s likely that they make some sort of change that only allows 1 g5 team during the offseason. Of course unless JMU surprises everyone tonight. I’d love to see them be competitive, but Oregon is just too much for them.
 
#78
#78
Volfan76 said:
Well the problem with that format is that lower conference heads and ND athletic director have agendas that don't include making sure the best teams get in the playoffs. Sankey and whoever big ten commissioner is can't outvote everyone. No objective reason to have automatic qualifiers.
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The inclusion of automatic qualifiers is probably the most objective criteria there is - you win your conference, you are in. IMO that is how it should be. If a team cannot win their conference, they should not get an automatic bid. Don't care who they are.

The SOS and SOR are not objective at all - go look at the numbers - most of the teams with the top SOS are not in the playoff because they lost too many games because of the SOS. A lot of teams with a good SOR have a lower SOS - probably why they won so much because their SOS was not that difficult.

Who is the best is completely subjective, always has been.

I do think the current model does end up with the top 4 or 5, maybe 6 teams in the mix - which was the goal of going to 12.
 
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DirtyDawg said:
I think it’s likely that they make some sort of change that only allows 1 g5 team during the offseason. Of course unless JMU surprises everyone tonight. I’d love to see them be competitive, but Oregon is just too much for them.
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That was the thought with taking 5 - but the ACC did not hold up their end of the bargain this year. Like I have said, we have two G5 teams because DUKE won the ACC game.
 
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DirtyDawg said:
I think it’s likely that they make some sort of change that only allows 1 g5 team during the offseason. Of course unless JMU surprises everyone tonight. I’d love to see them be competitive, but Oregon is just too much for them.
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I'm not sure what the ND near auto-bid changes for the format. I've said before that people are misjudging an ENTERTAINMENT tournament for a real "best of the best" tournament.

Once you realize what you're actually watching is not supposed to be a "best of the best" tournament...... and it's clearly not designed to be that...... then it's fine.
 
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A game like this could be an advantage for Ole Miss going into the Sugar bowl. It's like a warmup game to get back into rhythm in live action.
 
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volfan102455 said:
That was the thought with taking 5 - but the ACC did not hold up their end of the bargain this year. Like I have said, we have two G5 teams because DUKE won the ACC game.
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Yes, I understand that. I think it’s likely to change again.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm not sure what the ND near auto-bid changes for the format. I've said before that people are misjudging an ENTERTAINMENT tournament for a real "best of the best" tournament.

Once you realize what you're actually watching is not supposed to be a "best of the best" tournament...... and it's clearly not designed to be that...... then it's fine.
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I understand what you're saying that this is a money driven entertainment product, but games like this are not entertainment at all. I should have quit watching in the 3rd quarter. I get they're doing this to not get sued for anti trust laws,but hopefully as time goes on,it gets fixed.
 
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#87
I just want to hear the announcers pronounce Summ-rall. Not Summ-er-all

Not sure I agree excluding all G5. It’s still D1 so you gotta get the top ranked G5. But not 2. That Atleast would have made sure ND was in and they prob should have been. Or Texas or Vandy.
 
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Pennheel said:
I understand what you're saying that this is a money driven entertainment product, but games like this are not entertainment at all. I should have quit watching in the 3rd quarter. I get they're doing this to not get sued for anti trust laws,but hopefully as time goes on,it gets fixed.
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There are legal issues, I guess, though this is not a product tied to the NCAA officially. I've said before: if JMU does the unimaginable and runs the tournament, does ANYONE expect the coaches or AP are going to vote for them as the best college team in America? Hopefully not.

It's LIKELY to produce the best team in America in the end. REALLY what's happened with the expansion is the VERY BEST teams are almost certainly included AND some other teams get to play too.

More money. The semblance of "inclusion." The end result is likely to be somewhat similar to a 4 team playoff most years.

The expansion was mostly smoke and mirrors AND MONEY.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
There are legal issues, I guess, though this is not a product tied to the NCAA officially. I've said before: if JMU does the unimaginable and runs the tournament, does ANYONE expect the coaches or AP are going to vote for them as the best college team in America? Hopefully not.

It's LIKELY to produce the best team in America in the end. REALLY what's happened with the expansion is the VERY BEST teams are almost certainly included AND some other teams get to play too.

More money. The semblance of "inclusion." The end result is likely to be somewhat similar to a 4 team playoff most years.

The expansion was mostly smoke and mirrors AND MONEY.
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Yes, this was the intent - make sure the best 4 end up in the last 3 games - the games before that is for the money and exposure.

No matter who is playing, chances are folks are going to watch at least part of the other games. If the games are competitive the audience will stay engaged - if not they will turn it off - but the money has been made.

Plus, this controversary also generates noise and awareness which in the end lead to exposure and dollars.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm not sure what the ND near auto-bid changes for the format. I've said before that people are misjudging an ENTERTAINMENT tournament for a real "best of the best" tournament.

Once you realize what you're actually watching is not supposed to be a "best of the best" tournament...... and it's clearly not designed to be that...... then it's fine.
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Everyone needs to read this and understand this is what this is all about! It is not the "best of the best".

At the end of the day if the semi-finals and final have the best teams, the tourney will have served its purpose.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Everyone needs to read this and understand this is what this is all about! It is not the "best of the best".

At the end of the day if the semi-finals and final have the best teams, the tourney will have served its purpose.
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People seem to want to have things the system was never designed to deliver. Even worse, they feel they are OWED something the system was not designed to deliver.

You'd really have to be blind to look at the expanded CFP and think it's a tournament designed to deliver "all the best teams in a football tournament." It's nowhere NEAR designed to do that and not even trying.

Still, here we are. "It should be better!!!!" My response is that as long as we'll watch it, they'll keep doing it and we'll keep watching (and napping.)
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
There are legal issues, I guess, though this is not a product tied to the NCAA officially. I've said before: if JMU does the unimaginable and runs the tournament, does ANYONE expect the coaches or AP are going to vote for them as the best college team in America? Hopefully not.

It's LIKELY to produce the best team in America in the end. REALLY what's happened with the expansion is the VERY BEST teams are almost certainly included AND some other teams get to play too.

More money. The semblance of "inclusion." The end result is likely to be somewhat similar to a 4 team playoff most years.

The expansion was mostly smoke and mirrors AND MONEY.
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A 4 team playoff with the right selection criteria is more than enough to ensure the best team is included in the post season.

It’s laughable there are talks of expanding the playoff to more teams. You’re right. It’s about money, nothing else.
 
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DC_Vol said:
A 4 team playoff with the right selection criteria is more than enough to ensure the best team is included in the post season.

It’s laughable there are talks of expanding the playoff to more teams. You’re right. It’s about money, nothing else.
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It's ALL about money on all sides of the equation in college football. People LOVE to blame the players now but this should make it clear that NO ONE associated with college football is doing anything that's not getting them money.

It's LUDICROUS to think the players are the big problem when hundreds of millions are being made on this tournament from the CFP, media, teams, cities, etc EVERYWHERE you look.
 
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DC_Vol said:
A 4 team playoff with the right selection criteria is more than enough to ensure the best team is included in the post season.

It’s laughable there are talks of expanding the playoff to more teams. You’re right. It’s about money, nothing else.
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What is the right selection criteria? We had the 4-team playoff and all we heard was that the best four teams were not selected.

This year it would be Indiana, Georgia, Ohio State and Texas Tech. And folks would be arguing it should be Oregon or Ole Miss or someone else other than Texas Tech. And some would be saying why two B1G teams given the strength of the SEC.

That is why we went from 4 to 12 besides the money.
 
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And let's be honest the 4 games being played at the campus locations bring in lots of $$$'s for those communities.

I mean I spent money in Columbus last year for food, a hotel, warm clothes because we were not prepared, etc.
 
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volfan102455 said:
What is the right selection criteria? We had the 4-team playoff and all we heard was that the best four teams were not selected.

This year it would be Indiana, Georgia, Ohio State and Texas Tech. And folks would be arguing it should be Oregon or Ole Miss or someone else other than Texas Tech. And some would be saying why two B1G teams given the strength of the SEC.

That is why we went from 4 to 12 besides the money.
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Sure, people will argue. A lot of people think 12 isn’t enough. The larger the field, the more surface area to argue over.

I don’t know the exact answer to the right criteria. Maybe the old BCS system or something similar to land on the top 4.

At the rate we’re going we’ll have 32 teams in the post season by 2030. It’s absurd.
 
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volfan102455 said:
And let's be honest the 4 games being played at the campus locations bring in lots of $$$'s for those communities.

I mean I spent money in Columbus last year for food, a hotel, warm clothes because we were not prepared, etc.
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The Vols were not very well prepared either
 
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