I like matching up 1st team vs. second team occasionally; that way you know whether or not to be happy about mistakes. If the first team offense has a turnover, bad news, but if the first team defense forces one, it's good news. Therefore, I am happy that the o-line is sucking against the first team d-line, but not so much that even though O'Neal is first-team it appears, he is not taking advantage of his oppurtunity. jwells, can you update on Vinson? Fulmer said yesterday if he doesn't step up he'll be switched to DB.