Truth: NIL rules and Portal rules HAVE to change

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If any of us that have a value of college football, then we know that the rules of NIL and the PORTAL are going to have to change to keep whatever is left of college football worth watching for most of us over the age of 25 It has become obvious to even the non-chalant fan that college football is in free fall and is becoming a shell of what it used to be.
Don't get me wrong, I love the game. But the game is beginning to leave the everyday fan for the most part. Yes, we love the hype and excitement of winning and pulling for our favorite teams. But at what cost..........and I don't mean in monetary means. NIL money and the PORTAL has already infiltrated the most storied teams in college football with exactly what we witnessed last night in Columbus. OSU reportedly has a $22-25 million dollar team, in the top 5 of college football, along with Oregon, Georgia, and other top talent teams. IS THIS WHAT FAN WANTS? If it is, then expect to pay 2-4 time more for tickets, costs for tuition for your students, more for your concessions, MUCH more for a jersey your son or daughter may want for a player who probably won't be playing for the VOLS next year anyway.

Will we as fans want to keep going to games when WE AS A VOL NATION cannot put up the MILLION of DOLLARS put out a $30-$40 MILLION dollar team to keep up with the TEXAS, OREGON , OSUs of the world? I for one am realizing that it will come done to what College Collectives can afford to keep doing this, ..........and will take out the player that maybe wanted to play for Tennessee going to wherever because of NIL and PORTAL . .WE AS FANS OF THE SPORT AND OF OUR SCHOOL HAVE TO START DEMANDING A BETTER PROCESS FOR OUR PLAYERS AND SCHOOLS OR COLLEGE FOOTBALL WILL START TO DIE ....................WHEN IT LOSES IT'S FANS.
 
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I think have them sign contracts and just like any other business transaction both parties are protected. There should be incentive based on performance and staying the course at least until after the national championship game and if you leave for another team, the team you transfer to buys out the contract from the school you're leaving.
 
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76volman said:
If any of us that have a value of college football, then we know that the rules of NIL and the PORTAL are going to have to change to keep whatever is left of college football worth watching for most of us over the age of 25 It has become obvious to even the non-chalant fan that college football is in free fall and is becoming a shell of what it used to be.
Don't get me wrong, I love the game. But the game is beginning to leave the everyday fan for the most part. Yes, we love the hype and excitement of winning and pulling for our favorite teams. But at what cost..........and I don't mean in monetary means. NIL money and the PORTAL has already infiltrated the most storied teams in college football with exactly what we witnessed last night in Columbus. OSU reportedly has a $22-25 million dollar team, in the top 5 of college football, along with Oregon, Georgia, and other top talent teams. IS THIS WHAT FAN WANTS? If it is, then expect to pay 2-4 time more for tickets, costs for tuition for your students, more for your concessions, MUCH more for a jersey your son or daughter may want for a player who probably won't be playing for the VOLS next year anyway.

Will we as fans want to keep going to games when WE AS A VOL NATION cannot put up the MILLION of DOLLARS put out a $30-$40 MILLION dollar team to keep up with the TEXAS, OREGON , OSUs of the world? I for one am realizing that it will come done to what College Collectives can afford to keep doing this, ..........and will take out the player that maybe wanted to play for Tennessee going to wherever because of NIL and PORTAL . .WE AS FANS OF THE SPORT AND OF OUR SCHOOL HAVE TO START DEMANDING A BETTER PROCESS FOR OUR PLAYERS AND SCHOOLS OR COLLEGE FOOTBALL WILL START TO DIE ....................WHEN IT LOSES IT'S FANS.
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Truth: NIL rules and Portal rules HAVE to change
‘Rules? what rules?
let‘s start by having A Rule. First rule, have a contract fair to both parties.​

 
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76volman said:
If any of us that have a value of college football, then we know that the rules of NIL and the PORTAL are going to have to change to keep whatever is left of college football worth watching for most of us over the age of 25 It has become obvious to even the non-chalant fan that college football is in free fall and is becoming a shell of what it used to be.
Don't get me wrong, I love the game. But the game is beginning to leave the everyday fan for the most part. Yes, we love the hype and excitement of winning and pulling for our favorite teams. But at what cost..........and I don't mean in monetary means. NIL money and the PORTAL has already infiltrated the most storied teams in college football with exactly what we witnessed last night in Columbus. OSU reportedly has a $22-25 million dollar team, in the top 5 of college football, along with Oregon, Georgia, and other top talent teams. IS THIS WHAT FAN WANTS? If it is, then expect to pay 2-4 time more for tickets, costs for tuition for your students, more for your concessions, MUCH more for a jersey your son or daughter may want for a player who probably won't be playing for the VOLS next year anyway.

Will we as fans want to keep going to games when WE AS A VOL NATION cannot put up the MILLION of DOLLARS put out a $30-$40 MILLION dollar team to keep up with the TEXAS, OREGON , OSUs of the world? I for one am realizing that it will come done to what College Collectives can afford to keep doing this, ..........and will take out the player that maybe wanted to play for Tennessee going to wherever because of NIL and PORTAL . .WE AS FANS OF THE SPORT AND OF OUR SCHOOL HAVE TO START DEMANDING A BETTER PROCESS FOR OUR PLAYERS AND SCHOOLS OR COLLEGE FOOTBALL WILL START TO DIE ....................WHEN IT LOSES IT'S FANS.
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Not sure about this value of college football. As far as the rest, it's not really about you.

Basically, you are cheering for corporation A to beat corporation B, and you're upset corporation A didn't win something. Seems fairly easy, compete in the marketplace to where corporation A is better, I guess.

E AS A VOL NATION cannot put up the MILLION of DOLLARS put out a $30-$40 MILLION dollar team to keep up with the TEXAS, OREGON , OSUs of the world?
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So, basically where it was before, more or less?

WE AS FANS OF THE SPORT AND OF OUR SCHOOL HAVE TO START DEMANDING A BETTER PROCESS FOR OUR PLAYERS AND SCHOOLS OR COLLEGE FOOTBALL WILL START TO DIE
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Businesses go kaput all the time.
 
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1. Salary cap. Just like any professional sports buisness, there needs to be a cap.

2. Once players sign with a team as a Freshman, they only get one time to enter a transfer portal. If they transfer a second time, they have to sit out a year.
If a coach gets fired or the player is a graduate transfer, this rule doesn't apply.

3. Change the window for the transfer portal. Players are having to enter the portal while still having games left.




I think that's a good start. I will also add, Oregon may be the next team to go on a long run like Alabama did. Nike is their wallet. If no salary cap is put in, universities need to rethink their contracts with Nike. You're essentially paying Oregon with a blank check.
 
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1. You can't just get a salary cap, there is this thing called the Sherman Act (and Ant-trust State Law). Not all schools are going to want to part of any of that anyway i.e. employees. There is no one size fits all thing.

2. Again, the Sherman Act (and State Law), even an Congressional exemption (like some pro sports have) probably doesn't help because as I said not all schools would want to be part of the new scam.

3. Again, the Sherman Act (and State Law).

None of what you suggested really helps unless you actually provide a full path.


What you are doing is admitting that the players were/are employees.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
1. You can't just get a salary cap, there is this thing called the Sherman Act (and Ant-trust State Law). Not all schools are going to want to part of any of that anyway i.e. employees. There is no one size fits all thing.

2. Again, the Sherman Act (and State Law), even an Congressional exemption (like some pro sports have) probably doesn't help because as I said not all schools would want to be part of the new scam.

3. Again, the Sherman Act (and State Law).

None of what you suggested really helps unless you actually provide a full path.


What you are doing is admitting that the players were/are employees.
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I wish people would understand this. NIL isn’t a “rule”. It’s a right that’s settled in case law.
 
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GAVol said:
I wish people would understand this. NIL isn’t a “rule”. It’s a right that’s settled in case law.
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I would say the NIL is a distraction, what we're really talking about is.... businesses (schools) can't collude and create a pricing fixing scheme. Where the players get the money from is mostly irrelevant, it's about from whatever source they can get it.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
1. You can't just get a salary cap, there is this thing called the Sherman Act (and Ant-trust State Law). Not all schools are going to want to part of any of that anyway i.e. employees. There is no one size fits all thing.

2. Again, the Sherman Act (and State Law), even an Congressional exemption (like some pro sports have) probably doesn't help because as I said not all schools would want to be part of the new scam.

3. Again, the Sherman Act (and State Law).

None of what you suggested really helps unless you actually provide a full path.


What you are doing is admitting that the players were/are employees.
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Players are now employees. If there's no change, you will have a handful of teams that will be at the top every year for years to come.

You will also have schools essentially go bankrupt trying to compete to the point their athletic department or athletics cease to exist. Already seeing it with the smaller schools.
 
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I’m all for having an NFL minor league system of some kind. Some way for the ones that don’t care anything about an education to just be able to fast track to their profession. Maybe that’d help some of the NIL stuff. The portal stuff needs to be reigned in, in some way. Some kind of commitment.
Anyone know how all of this is handled in FCS and below?
 
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madbamahater said:
I think have them sign contracts and just like any other business transaction both parties are protected. There should be incentive based on performance and staying the course at least until after the national championship game and if you leave for another team, the team you transfer to buys out the contract from the school you're leaving
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Now someone has it right! College football is a business. The way things are now, the tail is wagging the dog. Players are doing whatever the please. The companies doing the hiring need some business ability beyond just football knowledge. These players damn sure have business pros handling there business.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Players are now employees. If there's no change, you will have a handful of teams that will be at the top every year for years to come.

You will also have schools essentially go bankrupt trying to compete to the point their athletic department or athletics cease to exist. Already seeing it with the smaller schools.
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The schools will disagree with you and for good reason, they would not only be still in violation of the Sherman Act (anti-trust) you can add tax evasion to the list as well.

You will also have schools essentially go bankrupt trying to compete to the point their athletic department or athletics cease to exist. Already seeing it with the smaller schools.
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Some schools don't even give scholarships. If they don't know how to run their own business, not sure what the problem is.... they can go away just like every other bad business does.
 
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Orangepantsforever said:
I’m all for having an NFL minor league system of some kind. Some way for the ones that don’t care anything about an education to just be able to fast track to their profession. Maybe that’d help some of the NIL stuff. The portal stuff needs to be reigned in, in some way. Some kind of commitment.
Anyone know how all of this is handled in FCS and below?
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The problem is choice, it really doesn't solve any problems (I'm not sure there is a problem, seems like we're seeing the solution) especially at scale, probably produces all kinds or problems.

There is no profession or semi-professional nor amateur.
 
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At the present time, I’m watching NCAA college football becoming more and more like the NFL. I’ve lived in a couple of NFL towns in my life and never understood the affinity their local fans seemed to feel towards those teams. An NFL team is a BUSINESS… period. Just like Ford, Amazon and Walmart. I have ZERO interest in NFL football. I don’t “ root for Walmart “ or buy fan gear emblazoned with “ WALMART” insignias. I’m watching college ball becoming a just another business, from top to bottom and it’s sad to watch. The money doesn’t bother me nearly as much as player mobility. When players are jumping around promiscuously, there’s no sense of development and growth within a school’s football program. Following young recruits build their skills and abilities at one university is what college football should be all about. I believe that loss is the most significant factor that is causing a lot of fans to lose interest. When you simply “ buy in” a corp of talent, you’re mirroring the NFL and I’m not impressed, regardless of how many games you win over teams who failed to buy good enough players.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The problem is choice, it really doesn't solve any problems (I'm not sure there is a problem, seems like we're seeing the solution) especially at scale, probably produces all kinds or problems.

There is no profession or semi-professional nor amateur.
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Are you saying “there is no profession or semi-professional nor amateur” under the current format, or ever?
 
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Orangepantsforever said:
Are you saying “there is no profession or semi-professional nor amateur” under the current format, or ever?
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It legal never existed. It's a figment of your imagination, something I'm sure I wrote about 12+ years out here about. Read the Supreme Court ruling in particular Kavanaugh. Student athlete and amateur were buzz words for cover for their scams, heck it worked for quite some time.

In my view, that argument is circular and unpersuasive. The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels. But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a “love of the law.” Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a “purer” form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a “tradition” of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a “spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood. Price-fixing labor is price-fixing labor. And price-fixing labor is ordinarily a textbook antitrust problem because it extinguishes the free market in which individuals can otherwise obtain fair compensation for their work. See, e.g., 4 NATIONAL COLLEGIATE ATHLETIC ASSN. v. ALSTON KAVANAUGH, J., concurring Texaco Inc. v. Dagher, 547 U. S. 1, 5 (2006). Businesses like the NCAA cannot avoid the consequences of price-fixing labor by incorporating price-fixed labor into the definition of the product. Or to put it in more doctrinal terms, a monopsony cannot launder its price-fixing of labor by calling it product definition.
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He is saying what I've and others have been saying for decade+, these people should probably be in jail. He didn't quite drop the bomb on them like I do, but he is very close to saying it.

A label doesn't change anything.
 
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