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hope this is not a repost
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#4
#4
That's good. :good!:

Ohio State is actually 18-20 all-time in bowl games. If they could just avoid the SEC, they'd have one of the best postseason records of any program in Division 1.
 
#7
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Well now. Maybe they are right. The SEC, after all, is 11-4 in Bowl Championship Series games and the Big Ten is 8-9.

this says it all imo
 
#8
#8
an overlooked fact is that the NFL drafts on individual talent and team success can often be predicated on a coach's ability to get a guy to set aside his selfish agenda and play as part of a team. Draft picks are nice, but look at the championships and head to head match-ups to see who is the best.
 
#9
#9
Some questions.

1. Why use only since 2000? Is any NFL player in the league that was drafted before that insignificant?

2. "Over those eight years, the average SEC team has produced 12.6 first-day draft picks. The average Big Ten team has produced 10.6. In other words, the typical SEC team has produced one extra first-day pick every four years compared with a typical Big Ten counterpart." Again this points to depth. What percentage of that 10.6 are from the same 3-4 schools and what percentage of the 12.6 are from the same 6-7 schools.

3. Ohio state has 59 drafted and 28 first day. UT has 50 with 27 first day. 3a) Only 1 behind in first days and how many second days actually made it. 3b) If this study went back to 97 I bet this isn't close.

4. It wouldn't have mattered if LSU played OSU in Antarctica. Also what about the UT-Wisky game.

5. "The Big Ten and SEC play two bowl games against each other every year, in Orlando and Tampa. This is where the conferences send their top two non-BCS teams. If the SEC is really so much deeper, then that conference should dominate those two games.

Yet in the BCS era, the Big Ten has won 11 of those games, the SEC nine" Yeah but we have won 4 NC's and the one you won was suspecious (Pass interference).

6. "And congrats to the SEC, which -- I mean this sincerely -- is probably the best conference in America, by a small margin."

Yeah and OSU came closer to beating us this year it went from 24 points to 14. Margins don't matter Big 10, wins do.

8. Again this is a team game and # of draft picks doesn't neccessarily point to best conference but
lets look at it as a whole. Why didn't he mention overall players drafted from each conference because the SEC has a lot more and the Big 10 isn't even 2nd the ACC is with FSU and Miami.
 
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KnoxNash said:
here's an interesting article on the SEC myth:

MICHAEL ROSENBERG: The Big Ten is fine; don't buy into the SEC myth

I find the NFL stats very interesting. It proves that we have some very good coaches in the SEC. It also suggests that Fulmer isn't doing enough with the talent that he recruits.
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Since 2000, the 11 Big Ten teams have produced an average of 26.8 draft picks per school. The 12 SEC teams have produced 27.3 picks per school. That is half a player per school over an eight-year period. So it's basically a wash.
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10 + 1 = 10
 
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SEC is good, but not the Goliath some make it out to be
Friday, January 11, 2008 2:53 AM
By MICHAEL ROSENBERG

The other day, like millions of Americans, I watched college football's national championship game. Alas, I must have been watching on a broken TV.

I saw a team, Ohio State, outgain its opponent by 2 yards per play. I saw that same team lose anyway because its opponent, Louisiana State, played a much more disciplined, fundamentally sound game.

I saw LSU commit only one turnover while Ohio State essentially committed four: three that were official and one on a roughing-the-punter penalty that allowed LSU to keep the ball. I saw a Buckeyes field-goal attempt blocked. I saw Ohio State commit five -- yes, five -- personal fouls.

Based on all that, I had no doubt that LSU deserved to win.

Now, two days later, I'm still annoyed by that stupid broken TV. Apparently, I didn't see the same game as many of my colleagues around the country. They saw:

1. Conclusive proof that the Big Ten's best teams do not have as much talent as the best Southeastern Conference teams.

2. Evidence that Ohio State, which got creamed by Florida in last year's title game, does not belong in any championship game. The Buckeyes, they say, are an inferior team that steamrolls a weak conference every year, simply because the Buckeyes have almost learned to run on two feet while the rest of the Big Ten still crawls on all fours.

Well now. Maybe they are right. The SEC, after all, is 11-4 in Bowl Championship Series games and the Big Ten is 8-9.

But I don't think they are right.

I think they have all bought into the SEC Myth.

Before I explain the SEC Myth, let me explain what the SEC Myth is not. If you think the SEC is usually the best conference in the country, that is not the SEC Myth. That's a perfectly reasonable, rational opinion.

No. The SEC Myth is the argument that the SEC is far superior to other conferences; that it is the best league in the country every year; that the best SEC teams are always better than the best Big Ten teams; and that the SEC is always deeper than the Big Ten.

The SEC Myth states that Ohio State does not have the talent to beat teams such as Florida and LSU.

You probably know some SEC Mythologists. They are all over the place -- except, apparently, in the NFL.

Since 2000, NFL teams have drafted 59 Ohio State players. Twenty-eight were first-day picks -- guys drafted in the first three rounds.

No SEC team can match that. Not one.

The top talent producer in the SEC (by draft picks) is Tennessee, which has had 50 players chosen and 27 on the first day.

Since 2000, the 11 Big Ten teams have produced an average of 26.8 draft picks per school. The 12 SEC teams have produced 27.3 picks per school. That is half a player per school over an eight-year period. So it's basically a wash.

Over those eight years, the average SEC team has produced 12.6 first-day draft picks. The average Big Ten team has produced 10.6. In other words, the typical SEC team has produced one extra first-day pick every four years compared with a typical Big Ten counterpart.

Does that sound like a huge talent gap?

Did you know that Michigan State, a second-tier Big Ten team since 2000, has produced as many NFL draft picks (28) as SEC power Auburn? Hey, it surprised the heck out of me. But it's true. (All draft stats are courtesy of drafthistory.com.)

Propagators of the SEC Myth point out that Ohio State is 0-9 against the SEC but fail to mention that Michigan's Lloyd Carr was 5-2 in bowls against SEC teams. (This lends a rock-paper-scissors quality to the discussion: The SEC beats Jim Tressel, Tressel beats Carr, and Carr beats the SEC.)

SEC Mythologists don't mention that the top three teams in the Big Ten all played road games this bowl season: Ohio State faced Louisiana State in Louisiana, Illinois faced Southern California in southern California, and Michigan faced Florida in Florida.

The logic behind the SEC Myth is self-perpetuating. When Kentucky beats LSU, it is held up as proof of SEC depth. When Northwestern beats Michigan, people say the Big Ten is weak.

If you believe in the SEC Myth, you believe that SEC teams face an unfair path to get to the national championship game because their conference is so demanding that it's almost impossible to get through it unscathed.

But if you believe that, you have to ignore this:

The Big Ten and SEC play two bowl games against each other every year, in Orlando and Tampa. This is where the conferences send their top two non-BCS teams. If the SEC is really so much deeper, then that conference should dominate those two games.

Yet in the BCS era, the Big Ten has won 11 of those games, the SEC nine.

Remember: In that era, the Big Ten has sent 17 teams to BCS games, while the SEC has sent 15. Three times, the Big Ten sent its third- and fourth-place teams to Florida to play the second- and third-place teams from the SEC. The SEC only had to deal with that once.

Anyway, congrats to Louisiana State, the 2007 BCS champion.

And congrats to the SEC, which -- I mean this sincerely -- is probably the best conference in America, by a small margin.

Michael Rosenberg is a sports columnist for the Detroit Free Press.
 
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Who cares about fans arguing? I think the players have done well enough on their own arguing counter to his point.
 
#18
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I don't see why. It seems like a fair article in its conclusions. Ask Florida how inferior the Big 10 is. The SEC is better, but not to the extent of being completely out of each other's leagues.
 
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pfg1318 said:


The logic behind the SEC Myth is self-perpetuating. When Kentucky beats LSU, it is held up as proof of SEC depth. When Northwestern beats Michigan, people say the Big Ten is weak.
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well first of all because Kentucky would kill Northwestern and Northwestern loses to teams like Duke and Kentucky beats teams like Florida State, Louisville and also SEC teams such as LSU and Arkansas... NU would get demolished by teams that Kentucky beats and that is what makes the SEC deep because Kentucky finished 9th in the SEC
 
#21
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I see no reason to argue. You can't argue with someone who is delusional. The SEC will continue to make their statement ON the field, unlike Mr. Rosenberg.
 
#22
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The SEC was the best conference in the country this year by a small margin...

...over the Big 12, not the Big 10.

If your conference's fourth-best team loses to Appalachian State, your conference had better be the MAC, Sun Belt, or WAC.
 
#23
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I don't think it matters which team has the most "draft" selections.... but which teams have the most "active" players in the NFL. Every year you read that the SEC has the most. The Big 10 isn't even 2nd.

The Southeastern Conference had 266 of its former football student-athletes on 2006 National Football League opening weekend rosters, more than any other conference in the nation. The Atlantic Coast Conference was second with 247 while the Big Ten was third with 236, Pac-10 fourth with 184 and the Big 12 was fifth with 174 of its former student-athletes on NFL rosters.

Of the 12 SEC institutions, Tennessee had the most former student-athletes on NFL rosters with 40 followed by Georgia with 39, Florida with 35, LSU with 31, Auburn with 27 and South Carolina with 20. Alabama had 19 of its former student-athletes on NFL opening weekend rosters followed by Mississippi State with 17, Ole Miss with 15, Arkansas with 11, Vanderbilt with eight and Kentucky with four. The NFL Kickoff Weekend numbers were furnished by the National Football League and does not include any former SEC players that may have been activated after the opening weekend.
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The Southeastern Conference had 263 players on the 2007 National Football League opening day active rosters, which led all conferences. The Atlantic Coast Conference was second with 238 players, followed by the Big Ten with 234 players, Pac-10 with 183 players, Big 12 with 176 players and the Big East with 84 players. Among SEC schools, Georgia was first with 37 former players on NFL rosters, followed by Tennessee with 36, LSU with 33, Florida with 31 and Auburn with 30. Alabama had 21 players on NFL rosters, while South Carolina had 19, Ole Miss and Mississippi State had 17 each, Arkansas had 12, Kentucky six and Vanderbilt with five. The SEC had five of its schools with 30-or-more-players on NFL rosters. No other conference had two. The lists do not include players who were not on opening day rosters and since been activated.
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