Trusting our QB

[orangebloodgmc]

I am not bashing Dobbs, I think we gotta trust in our senior, but I just wonder ...

... what if we had benched Dobbs late in the game, for Dormady or even JG, would our WR's have thought ...

1) Oh crap, I never expected this to happen, we must be in serious trouble! or ...
2) OK, OK, now I might get the ball put right in my hands

 

[ksgovols]

Hard to throw anything flat on your back. Dobbs is what he is but we didn't have the O line play to beat an SEC team on Thursday. His game will be the short to medium range throws with a couple of shots downfield.

 

[vols 30]

Most Dobbs criticism I've ever seen on here on one page, where did all the Dobbs lovers go?

Waiting until he has a good game, which he might this Saturday. You never know with Dobbs. But to really answer your question, those two posters will be back with their agenda when the time is right.

 

[LargeOrange1]

The back-up QB is the most popular person on the team.....Dobbs did not have his A game against App State. If he flounders during the 1st half against Vergina Tech, then Butch needs to sit him and give QD a shot. GBO!!

 

[Biopsyman]

Does anyone ever wonder how much trust the coaches actually have in Dobbs?? Yesterday we saw all of these freshman QBs , especially GA and Bama, having plays called to throw long balls down the field. If they can trust the Freshman why can't we trust our SR QB??

I am sure there are certain throws that they do not feel good about .. Sean route

 

[sjt18]

Jones seems to coach in terror of risks. That said Dobbs is high risk on throws past ten yards. That inhibits the offense greatly. Malone made a great play but that was far from a good throw. It was late and short

 

[sjt18]

This all day.

DeBord has a system and by dam, Dobbs is going to run it... until game 4, when Jones puts a boot up his azz and the tells Dobbs to free wheel when he sees fit. Saw it go that way since Dobbs has played.

DeBord is doing exactly what Jones wants him to do

 

[chuck0303]

If he does get in he'll only hand the ball off to our 3rd+ string running back up the middle three times waiting to punt.

Dormady has only gotten mop up duty and very little of that. I'm not sure they want to high-light too much of his passing ability which will show Dobbs up. In either case, they better fix the O-line not being able to keep the defenders out and protecting the QB. It's obvious Dobbs does not want to throw unless he has to and then he waits too late by the time he sees a receiver open. Fortunately or unfortunately it's probably best he does tuck-and-run because that's what he does best but we will get creamed if we don't have a decent passing attack. The question is "How many losses is Butch willing to take before letting Dormady throw the football?" Like I said, won't make any difference if we can't protect the QB. Either QB can hand the ball off but only one can pass accurately down field.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Butch has known Josh going on four years now. DeBord has been his OC for a year and a half. At this point, they know what they have in the young man, and I'm sure implicitly trust Josh to be Josh.

Do they trust Josh to be Peyton Manning? Of course not. Cam Newton? Also no. Josh is Josh. And the coaches know him far better than any of us do.

So yeah, trust is absolute at this point. Not to be what he's not, but to be what he is.

 

[sjt18]

The QB for Tennessee should be Riley Ferguson had CBJ not made a promise to Dobb's mom that he would play every game. We have high quality QB's sitting on the bench that should be starting that can make all the throws.
Teams know if they focus on the run and stop the short pass from Dobbs, they will probably beat Tennessee.

Ferguson was an attitude problem and has admitted it. Dobbs is playing because Jones thinks he's the best option. Nothing more. I know conspiracies are more fun Sorry

 

[sjt18]

Hard to throw anything flat on your back. Dobbs is what he is but we didn't have the O line play to beat an SEC team on Thursday. His game will be the short to medium range throws with a couple of shots downfield.

The OL didn't play great but Dobbs has always managed the pocket poorly.

 

[chuck0303]

Let's say you're exactly correct.

WHY do you think Butch does this to himself? Does he love going in to week 2 with all of this negativity dragging behind us?

Why not just overestimate ALL summer long, and just play the playbook -- just to be safe, and just to be sure that the only things said around the sports town after game 1 is that "Tenn did what was expected -- they looked good and beat a strong non-conf team." Instead, we won, but looked pretty bad at it. Yeah, but we won, they say. Ok.

He's a SR. Some would say he got a C- on his first test, after studying all summer. He passed, with a C-. Got some catching up to do to (when we could be well ahead).

Let's also say that App State lost (1) because their kicker missed twice and (2) we won because we got extremely LUCKY with that fumble recovery (had they recovered then what?) We won the game but we didn't beat anyone. I think a lot of it goes back to coaching.

And I'll add this, if Butch doesn't get more flexible with playing Dormady more the losses are on him. He should pick & choose when to use Dormady and not just for passing downs. Should Dobbs go down & I'm not advocating that at all, but then what? Very little game time experience.

 

[chuck0303]

I am sure there are certain throws that they do not feel good about .. Sean route

Yeah--All of them. I certainly don't feel good about any of Dobbs throws until the play is over. Usually 10, maybe 15 yards but beyond that hold your breath.

 

[chuck0303]

Butch has known Josh going on four years now. DeBord has been his OC for a year and a half. At this point, they know what they have in the young man, and I'm sure implicitly trust Josh to be Josh.

Do they trust Josh to be Peyton Manning? Of course not. Cam Newton? Also no. Josh is Josh. And the coaches know him far better than any of us do.

So yeah, trust is absolute at this point. Not to be what he's not, but to be what he is.

Well put, I think that's exactly where they're at and they're trying to minimize the risks with letting him play within himself and that's okay if the team is succeeding but you're not going to win in the SEC without at least an average passing attack/threat. However, you are telling every team to LOAD the box and only worry about the 10-15 yard part of the field. Unless you have strong enough players to manhandle the secondary/linebackers you're going to get stuffed and Earl Campbell couldn't get through. Youngsters: look it up.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

My Goodness people. Do you not recognize it when you see it? You know me. I am the last person on the face of the planet to admit this. Hurts is beyond his years in so many ways it was mind numbing. You witnessed greatness last night. It made me physically ill to watch.

 

[orangemadam]

It is called setting up your QB for success. Dobbs is an exceptional QB when he is mobile. Unfortunately DeBoring hasn't figured that out yet. Look at some of Dobbs best games and the answer is in front of you. When you play it close to the vest he struggles. Those of you wishing for Dormady don't realize you might and I say might get a better passer but you give up keeping the defense guessing. Dobbs brings dimensions to our offense that keeps defenses guessing. You want an 8-4 season put Dormady in. Dobbs can hurt you passing but his true value is his mobility.

Not so sure that I agree that you give up "keeping the defenses guessing" by having Dormady playing. With Dobbs the defense is playing run only, putting 8 in the box. With Dormady, I think the defense would play more honest, which may open up both the running lanes and the passing seams.

Regardless, if Debord keeps Dobbs in, he has to call more QB runs or we will lose 4 or 5 SEC games.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Nasavol]

Ferguson was an attitude problem and has admitted it. Dobbs is playing because Jones thinks he's the best option. Nothing more. I know conspiracies are more fun Sorry

I don't know all about the attitude or conspiracies, but, he was ahead of Dobbs on the depth chart when he left. Last night threw for 295 w/3 TD's and 2 picks.

 

[austin_vol]

If Dobbs ribs are in fact bruised bad and he doesn't practice this week (speculation) does he play?

 

[SandoVOL]

Speaking of freshman QBs, Texas...

 

[m1al]

Right now Dobbs IS NOT multi dimensional like a true dual threat should be.. So until he shows he can pass with a minimum amount of consistency, you stack the box, force 3rd and medium/long yardage and BEG him to throw the ball..

Not a very complex game plan for a competent defensive coordinator with reasonable talent..

 

[LocoVol]

I dont get the refusal to get a real qb coach. Maybe it is JD's skills that limit things and not the coaching or maybe its the coaching not giving him what he needs in teaching and play calling. Not sure we will know till next year when we see who follows him. Id love to see what some of these offensive guru's at these smaller less talented schools could do with our talent just for fun.

 

[VolFootballIsLife]

Another pull Dobbs post.........hmmm

Listen! The coaches made Dobbs stay in the pocket, his passing and running are better when he is allowed to use his natural instincts when passing and running. That game was close because of CBJ and no one else. When he allowed Shoop to turn lose the dogs.......see what happen? get it? CBJ and Deborg wanted to work on the passing game, for many reason some of the posters are *****ing about......but NO, because the game got a little out of hand. He had Shoop shut down App State's Offense and he did, he opened the play book a LITTLE and UT won. ONE MORE POINT, DO NOT DEMINISH HOW GOOD APP STATE PLAYED.......they were good........very good and Butch thought his OL could keep an undersized AS DL off of Dobbs. This game was bad because 1. Butch wanted to play vanilla 2. HE and Deborg underestimated App State......no more, no less.............UT won, sorry for the disappointment.

One problem with your theory though...we won on a fumble in the endzone in OT. If this was his plan he has balls of steel!

 

[LocoVol]

DeBord is doing exactly what Jones wants him to do

If thats the case then jones needs to wise up like he did with the defense and hire an offensive minded guru and get out of the way. I have been so impressed with what jones has done except qb coach decision, and hiring debord.