Trust in camps

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How can coaches tell whether I guy is having a great camp versus flying under the radar? I don't know much about camps. When they see someone under the radar or new, are the coaches offering their potential and coaching ability or what?

I didn't see any threads related so I wanted to know a little bit more about camps.
 
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I've heard Cutcliff and I've heard Fulmer say that if they see what there looking for once than they can coach the player to do it over and over so in short, there looking for ability and athleticism.
 
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I would imagine that our coaching staff have seen enough talent to know when to offer a kid. It comes down to more than just pure talent. Without the brains to execute, talent will only get you so far. There are other things to consider, such as chemistry with the coaches and current players, as well as the desire to be a TN VOL!! We should welcome anyone the coaches have evaluated at camps, offered a scholly, and then they committed.
 
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FEARinSEC said:
I would imagine that our coaching staff have seen enough talent to know when to offer a kid. It comes down to more than just pure talent. Without the brains to execute, talent will only get you so far. There are other things to consider, such as chemistry with the coaches and current players, as well as the desire to be a TN VOL!! We should welcome anyone the coaches have evaluated at camps, offered a scholly, and then they committed.
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Excellent post!
 
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FEARinSEC said:
I would imagine that our coaching staff have seen enough talent to know when to offer a kid. It comes down to more than just pure talent. Without the brains to execute, talent will only get you so far. There are other things to consider, such as chemistry with the coaches and current players, as well as the desire to be a TN VOL!! We should welcome anyone the coaches have evaluated at camps, offered a scholly, and then they committed.
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Really good job of summarizing the process. They watch as much tape as possible on each guy in addition to the camps.
 
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Vols4us said:
Really good job of summarizing the process. They watch as much tape as possible on each guy in addition to the camps.
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Have you guys paid attention to the character of the kids we've been recruiting? They seem to be very high character and high IQ kids for the most part.. Smart kids play well on the field and stay out of trouble off the field.. Helping with our roster stability.. Something we've desperately needed..
 
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Gee you know we've got the kid right here in front of our face but what we are seeing seems to conflict with our Rivals subscription. He looks great but you know only two stars... and where were those other offers?... errr man I don't know
 
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s1216 said:
Gee you know we've got the kid right here in front of our face but what we are seeing seems to conflict with our Rivals subscription. He looks great but you know only two stars... and where were those other offers?... errr man I don't know
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Not sure if serious.
 
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s1216 said:
Gee you know we've got the kid right here in front of our face but what we are seeing seems to conflict with our Rivals subscription. He looks great but you know only two stars... and where were those other offers?... errr man I don't know
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so what you are saying,is that you are a star grazer,and if the kid doesn't have the rivals star's beside his name,he is therefore no good.:spank:
 
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ACvol3 said:
Have you guys paid attention to the character of the kids we've been recruiting? They seem to be very high character and high IQ kids for the most part.. Smart kids play well on the field and stay out of trouble off the field.. Helping with our roster stability.. Something we've desperately needed..
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There are alot of recruiting tools used by businesses to select the people with the right abilities, intelligence, motivation, character, and even personality. Personality is as big as any other factor. I had about 12 hours of interviews then 3 hours of testing before being hired where I work now. I cannot imagine that CFB programs do not use things like Myers-Briggs when looking at recruits.

They still have to be able to play... but you can cut your risks by pursuing the right kind of people.
 
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Also, all major colleges use recruiting services... but not those intended for consumers. The ones they use are actually experts in detailed talent evaluation. They service their clientele with ALOT of discretion. They certainly don't share information that has been paid for with the public. When Dooley and others talk about "the recruiting process", they're talking about a fairly lengthy, complex, multi-step effort.

Almost every program has a good process... but the process is only good for answering questions. You have to ask the right questions to get the answers and recruits you really need. Some coaches don't even ask character questions. They just want the most talented guys and figure they can manage everything else. Some over-emphasize character and academics for various reasons and hope they can coach them up enough to survive. The really successful coaches ask the right questions, target the right guys, then of course get a good percentage of the ones they want.
 
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s1216 said:
I guess it is not possible to make sarcasm bulletproof
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If the kids don't have other offers > our coaches must be much better evaluators

If more than a couple of kids don't have big time offers then I think we're in deep deep doo doo

And yes offers transform into stars...

And yes recruiting rankings translate into championships in the SEC
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
If the kids don't have other offers > our coaches must be much better evaluators

If more than a couple of kids don't have big time offers then I think we're in deep deep doo doo

And yes offers transform into stars...

And yes recruiting rankings translate into championships in the SEC
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Which comes first... successful recruiting or high rankings?

Nick Saban's recruits will get more love from the recruiting sites because over time he's proven he knows talent. Two equally talented kids- one recruited by Bama and one not... will NOT be viewed the same.

If Dooley knows talent then he will get players, win, and eventually be given credibility by the recruiting sites.

I am not making a prediction about his ability to recruit or the future of those recruits. He has signed some guys who apparently no one really knows about. However those guys are uniformly productive, physically gifted (SEC caliber bodies), and possess upside.

He may be finding guys no one found. He may be finding guys that no one else wants. Either way... I am glad my job isn't on the line like his.
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
If more than a couple of kids don't have big time offers then I think we're in deep deep doo doo
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Or... if other big time programs have not offered, they're late to the game.

And yes offers transform into stars...
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Or sometimes undeserved stars transform into offers. Fulmer certainly had his share of 5* busts over his last 7 years.

And yes recruiting rankings translate into championships in the SEC
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Or else SEC championship caliber coaching/talent evaluation gets better recruiting rankings.

At the end of the day it is talent, not rankings, that make for championships. About 1/3 of the time that talent gets noticed by recruiting sites.

The problem with the 2/3's is that few are truly able to separate those players from the masses and even fewer do it well enough to filed championship teams.

Oregon has done so lately. Cal actually seemed to be better before getting love from the recruiting sites. Arkansas under Petrino did well with most 3* guys. Oklahoma State did well. For years, Auburn did well with lower rated guys. Va Tech has a long history of finding great players out of 2/3* ranks.
 
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Would you feel better if we get recruits that have offers from UF UGA LSU UA?

I know I would and it is just plain logical.

It's called supply and demand.
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
Would you feel better if we get recruits that have offers from UF UGA LSU UA?

I know I would and it is just plain logical.

It's called supply and demand.
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Honestly and I'm not being a smart aleck... but I won't feel better until UT starts winning.

But to answer your question it is a double-edged sword. If those kids end up being championship caliber players who never get stars then I'll be glad those schools didn't offer. Some of them would probably jump. I also don't need anyone else's validation in my "real" life to have confidence... so I a sort of conditioned to not worry too much about this type of thing.

These guys either have talent or they don't. Either DD, Sal, Chaney, and gang learned what talent looks like while coaching for Saban, in the NFL, and for other championship schools or they didn't. Or maybe they know talent and just can't get them.

But I will still default to my first sentence. Over and over Fulmer had me excited on NSD... only to have one disappointment after another during the season. I'd prefer the opposite scenario.
 
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BTW, it isn't supply and demand. Everyone wanted Chris Donald... that gave him a 5* rating but not the talent to deserve it.
 
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sjt18 said:
Honestly and I'm not being a smart aleck... but I won't feel better until UT starts winning.

But to answer your question it is a double-edged sword. If those kids end up being championship caliber players who never get stars then I'll be glad those schools didn't offer. Some of them would probably jump. I also don't need anyone else's validation in my "real" life to have confidence... so I a sort of conditioned to not worry too much about this type of thing.

These guys either have talent or they don't. Either DD, Sal, Chaney, and gang learned what talent looks like while coaching for Saban, in the NFL, and for other championship schools or they didn't. Or maybe they know talent and just can't get them.

But I will still default to my first sentence. Over and over Fulmer had me excited on NSD... only to have one disappointment after another during the season. I'd prefer the opposite scenario.
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please>>>>never say you're sorry till you mean it... appreciate if you not do it again

what the hell does Fulmer's classes have to do with it? the last Fulmer class i was excited about was the Ainge/Brent S class

Fulmer recruited like hell for a long time and we were underachiever but at least in the top 25...

and i can go off on your tangent but don't say i started it
 
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sjt18 said:
BTW, it isn't supply and demand. Everyone wanted Chris Donald... that gave him a 5* rating but not the talent to deserve it.
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that's exactly my definition of supply and demand

and the most important and lucrative part sometimes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the more the demand the more over valued later

see it first you win
 
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Give me 12 4stars and 12 3 stars each year and for get about 5 stars every time we get one they in up in trouble or something where they been treated like big babys all of there life the hell with 5 stars.
 
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terrypedigo said:
Give me 12 4stars and 12 3 stars each year and for get about 5 stars every time we get one they in up in trouble or something where they been treated like big babys all of there life the hell with 5 stars.
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i agree
i mostly just want 4 stars with the occasional CP mixed in

just go very very light on the unrated players
please
 
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