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Mick said:
He was like #2 or something high up, well connect with government, FBS, and the super elite. It was brewing and we were distracted with our own infighting.

It's time to end it Hog, Jump on board, Come over to the winning team, Don't give them any quarter. Be mad at them, Seek justice and retribution. They are our greatest geopolitical threat.
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Quit giving them what they want. You and your friends are helping them out more than anyone.
 
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#24,877
Mick said:
Putin was not even President when Obama said he would have more time after the election and when Romney called Russia our greatest threat. Romney would've been more accurate if he would've said Putin was our greatest threat. Obama kept them in check until Putin got back in control. Obama's Administration should've been more on top of it when he regained control, that's for sure. Russia backs Syria and gets a foothold, Obama does the same. I would call this a defeat in the region on the Russian front but not the ISIS front. Russia is asserting itself all over the world and we are complicit and even enabling them.
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Your comment about Putin not even being president then is a bit disengenuous, but factually correct.

“This is my last election ... After my election I have more flexibility”.

“I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” said Medvedev, Putin’s protégé and long considered number two in Moscow’s power structure.

Medvedev was the out going president, "Vladimr" is referring to Putin, the presumed president elect at that time.
 
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37L1 said:
Your comment about Putin not even being president then is a bit disengenuous, but factually correct.

“This is my last election ... After my election I have more flexibility”.

“I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” said Medvedev, Putin’s protégé and long considered number two in Moscow’s power structure.

Medvedev was the out going president, "Vladimr" is referring to Putin, the presumed president elect at that time.
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Obama passed the magnitsky act while Putin was acting #2.

My question to you, hog and DC is Why did the Republican party change their platform when Trump was nominated when Russia was our greatest geopolitical threat.
 
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hog88 said:
Quit giving them what they want. You and your friends are helping them out more than anyone.
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No, we are all telling you how it is but you will not listen. Hog it's a bad idea to give the russian company discovery. Your stance was they have nothing, they deserve it blah blah blah, mueller sucks, witch hunt. The list goes on and on about the way you are acting foolish in everything Russia. You are in fact enabling and echoing the idiocy.
 
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Mick said:
No I'm not. Answer the question. I don't have time for your deflection.
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Why don't you spell out that which you are referring?

Nonetheless that action of sending weapons like the Javelin to Ukraine is not friendly to Russian interests and something Obama was unwilling to do. So what's your point?
 
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Mick said:
No, we are all telling you how it is but you will not listen. Hog it's a bad idea to give the russian company discovery. Your stance was they have nothing, they deserve it blah blah blah, mueller sucks, witch hunt. The list goes on and on about the way you are acting foolish in everything Russia. You are in fact enabling and echoing the idiocy.
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You should be mad at the Muell for being so stupid he indicted them. Once they were indicted and showed up I fully expect our legal system to follow the rules. The Muell doesn't want to give them discovery, withdraw the indictment otherwise follow the damn rules! Is that too much to ask?
 
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37L1 said:
Why don't you spell out that which you are referring?

Nonetheless that action of sending weapons like the Javelin to Ukraine is not friendly to Russian interests and something Obama was unwilling to do. So what's your point?
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A weapons deal is what your hanging your hat . We must really be sticking it to Israel with our arms deal in SA.
 
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Mick said:
A weapons deal is what your hanging your hat . We must really be sticking it to Israel with our arms deal in SA.
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You logic is amazing and not in a good way.
Still waiting for you to post specifically what you were referring to regarding the change in the platform.
 
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hog88 said:
You should be mad at the Muell for being so stupid he indicted them. Once they were indicted and showed up I fully expect our legal system to follow the rules. The Muell doesn't want to give them discovery, withdraw the indictment otherwise follow the damn rules! Is that too much to ask?
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Our legal system did follow the rules and they didn't get the good stuff. Just imagine if they had? See this is exactly what I'm talking about. That is definitely a pro russia stance and idiocy. It's not about finding the truth and protecting America and it's secrets with you. It's about trying to call Mueller stupid.
 
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Mick said:
Our legal system did follow the rules and they didn't get the good stuff. Just imagine if they had? See this is exactly what I'm talking about. That is definitely a pro russia stance and idiocy. It's not about finding the truth and protecting America and it's secrets with you. It's about trying to call Mueller stupid.
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Good grief man, how can you cheer our justice system not following the law? Do you realize what kind of precedence that sets? It's not about Russia you dolt, it's about the freeking rule of law and The Muell needs to be held to it. I don't give a **** if he convicts 100 Russians as long as he does it by the book.
 
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Mick said:
2016 RNC Delegate: Trump Directed Change To Party Platform On Ukraine Support
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So it is about Ukraine, just like I said and you called it "deflection." WTF is with you, man?

Here's something for you to read regarding your link.

Byron York: What really happened with the GOP platform and Russia

So you don't miss it:

In the end, nothing was taken out of the party's original draft platform on Russia. At Denman's behest, and with Trump's approval, the platform was made tougher with language pledging ongoing and possibly increased sanctions. It was also made tougher with Denman's reference to "NATO defense planning," which had not been in the original draft.


Finally, Denman's lethal aid suggestion was changed to "appropriate assistance to the armed forces" — a change that put the specific promise of U.S. aid to Ukraine's armed forces in the platform where it had not been originally.


"The platform ended up tougher than it started, compared from the beginning to the end," Denman told me, although she added she still believes her lethal aid provision should have been included in the final document.

Oh, here, you'll love this:

because the 2016 Democratic platform, while pledging to "stand up to Russian aggression," said nothing about U.S. sanctions against Russia or about U.S. aid to Ukraine's armed forces, both of which were in the Trump-approved Republican platform. Needless to say, the Democratic platform said not a word about lethal aid to Ukraine.
 
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hog88 said:
Good grief man, how can you cheer our justice system not following the law? Do you realize what kind of precedence that sets? It's not about Russia you dolt, it's about the freeking rule of law and The Muell needs to be held to it. I don't give a **** if he convicts 100 Russians as long as he does it by the book.
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They did follow the law numbnuts. Prove otherwise, mud creature.
 
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hog88 said:
The defendant gets EVERYTHING the prosecution has in discovery. Prosecution doesn't get to pick and choose.
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And when an actual defendant comes to face the music, they can do the dance. Still trying to defend the russians and providing cover for someone that's we know will not come to trial is just stupid. Give them everything and get nothing is what your want. That's STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.
 
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Mick said:
And when an actual defendant comes to face the music, they can do the dance. Still trying to defend the russians and providing cover for someone that's we know will not come to trial is just stupid. Give them everything and get nothing is what your want. That's STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.
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In this case the defendant can be represented by council, by the rules. The Muell **** a brick because he knew he screwed up and got a favorable decision by an unscrupulous judge. I simply want our legal system to play by the rules in EVERY case, everyone should demand this.
 
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theFallGuy said:
Now Schiff voicing concerns that Mueller's investigation is inadequate. Trying to set the table for the big nothing burger that drops.
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If they are investigating emoluments clause or campaign finance violations, that may be outside of Mueller's scope.
 
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