TrumPutinGate

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Mick said:
What has Trump done in response to their violation of the treaty? Rip up the treaty. Take that Putin. Twelve months from now rename it the TrumPutin treaty.
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It's a good way to look like you are doing something without really doing anything.

How did we figure out they were violating the treaty, I wonder, and can we believe the assessment?
 
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I’m not broken up about leaving this treaty if there’s good reason to believe Russia was in violation. That said, I’m not really thrilled about the president just being able to end treaties by himself without senate consent, particularly because I’m concerned Trump will try to leave NATO at some point.
 
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hog88 said:
Oh, so you suggest we coddle Putin now and let him get away with violating treaties? Ya’ll flip flop so much I get confused.
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If anyone is coddling Putin it's Trump. The world knows Putin has designs on dominating Europe. If he is allowed to move more weapons and more powerful weapons closer to Western targets it only strengthens his hand. The West will have to respond in kind leading to a costly and unnecessary arms race.

Also Russia is much more economically viable than they were in the 70s and 80s we won't bankrupt them again without paying a serious cost ourselves.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I’m not broken up about leaving this treaty if there’s good reason to believe Russia was in violation. That said, I’m not really thrilled about the president just being able to end treaties by himself without senate consent, particularly because I’m concerned Trump will try to leave NATO at some point.
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Usually when treaties are ended, it's a prelude to war. That's not the case.

I hope.
 
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Stew Cook said:
It's a good way to look like you are doing something without really doing anything.

How did we figure out they were violating the treaty, I wonder, and can we believe the assessment?
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It's Russia so I think the probability is high.
 
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luthervol said:
Of course not. Never said it was. Just fighting against the asinine democrats are "big government" "tax and spend" and republicans are "fiscally responsible" nonsense.
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You effectively do when you connect every possible thing that is wrong with the country to Republicans. There's not much balance to your criticism.
 
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1) Re the Trump calls, very interesting this was leaked from the Senate Intel Committee, which remains under RNC control.

2) One wonders whether Trump, Jr., told his father what went on at the meeting as he was upstairs at the time. And if he didn't and it was innocent, why Trump himself authored a fake press release about it in AF 1.

3) Re INF. If Russia has been in violation, why back out of the deal that could bring them back into compliance? Why not sanction them? It makes no sense to complain they aren't living up to their end, then effectively release then from their obligation to do so.

4) I wonder if INF was what Trump and Putin talked about. That Putin persuaded Trump that its obsolete. Sadly, we will likely never know for sure why Trump is doing this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its a legit question.

Of course, if we develop intelligence that in fact he has sold us out, Trump will call them all liars. So in a sense it doesn't really matter.
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I doubt Mueller will produce enough to get Trump removed from office, but those who look at everything that’s happened and see no cause for concern are Russians or fools.
 
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Obsessed said:
But how will the Russians pull it off again?
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As far as collusion goes Governor Christie offers the most credible defense of the Trump campaign when he says it simply wasn't organized enough to collude.
 
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