TrumPutinGate

#2,527
#2,527
volinbham said:
:hi:

So the latter theory is actual collusion. That's what I'm asking for.

The stuff before that doesn't present specific collusion activities. I guess what I'm asking is specific forms of cooperation occurred - did Team Trump seek to have certain information spread? Or something else. We have a lot of - here's why it looks like they talked to each other. I'm asking what was the suspected form of cooperation.
Click to expand...

Oh, the Steele Dossier is about collusion as well.

It alleges that Team Donny and the Kremlin did a quid pro quo on our election. Went like this, roughly:

1. Kremlin let it be known it has compromising material on both Trump and Hillary. Did not reveal what was on Trump. Revealed what was on Hillary. Asked for Team Donny cooperation.
2. Team Donny agreed.
3. Kremlin made it be known it would hack Democrats to help Team Donny.
4. In return, Team Donny had to both hand over whatever it knew about Russian nationals (particularly those residing in the US) it had done business with (mob and legitimate, all of which are manifold) and agree to lift sanctions.
5. Finally, a 19 percent stake in Rosneft (this is where Carter Page comes into play) was to be passed on to Team Donny through a shell company(ies).

Also, the dossier alleges that payments were made to Donny (basically for his aid and for campaign financing) through shell companies and through the "pensions" of ethnic Russians (particularly of Jewish origin) living in the US.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#2,529
#2,529
volfanjustin said:
say something bad-covering for Russian ties
doesn't say something bad-has Russian ties
Click to expand...

The fact that there's not an all-encompassing embrace of Moscow by everyone in the Trump administration doesn't mean that bad acts didn't occur pre-election.
 
#2,532
#2,532
"CrowdStrike was hired by the Democratic National Committee to investigate suspicious network activity last May. In June it declared that the committee had been hacked by the Russian government, starting a firestorm over the campaign.

CrowdStrike, based in Irvine, California, is also the only group that the DNC allowed to directly examine its servers.

Not even the FBI has been granted access to the servers.

U.S. agencies have instead relied on CrowdStrike's work. There is no other known forensic evidence which has been publicly disclosed to link the Kremlin to the attacks, including in a series of intelligence community statements and reports.

But now questions are emerging about the reliability of the company's findings.

DailyMail.com can disclose that in March CrowdStrike quietly retracted portions of a December report that had made further Russian hacking claims, after the firm was found to have relied on inaccurate data posted online by a pro-Putin 'propaganda' blogger.

The errors prompted both the Ukrainian military and a prominent British think tank to issue public statements disputing CrowdStrike's data."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4376628/New-questions-claim-Russia-hacked-election.html
 
#2,533
#2,533
volfanjustin said:
what was revealed about hillary that was damming?

why won't the DNC share their servers with the FBI?
Click to expand...

Nothing. The Kremlin didn't release it; just shared it with Team Donny.

Assuming that's even true still, could be because they're worried about potential crimes the FBI might find.
 
#2,534
#2,534
Let's be honest, we all know why the DNC wouldn't give the FBI access to their servers. Because they are FOS and probably have other dirty secrets.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#2,538
#2,538
volprof said:
Oh, the Steele Dossier is about collusion as well.

It alleges that Team Donny and the Kremlin did a quid pro quo on our election. Went like this, roughly:

1. Kremlin let it be known it has compromising material on both Trump and Hillary. Did not reveal what was on Trump. Revealed what was on Hillary. Asked for Team Donny cooperation.
2. Team Donny agreed.
3. Kremlin made it be known it would hack Democrats to help Team Donny.
4. In return, Team Donny had to both hand over whatever it knew about Russian nationals (particularly those residing in the US) it had done business with (mob and legitimate, all of which are manifold) and agree to lift sanctions.
5. Finally, a 19 percent stake in Rosneft (this is where Carter Page comes into play) was to be passed on to Team Donny through a shell company(ies).

Also, the dossier alleges that payments were made to Donny (basically for his aid and for campaign financing) through shell companies and through the "pensions" of ethnic Russians (particularly of Jewish origin) living in the US.
Click to expand...

On #3 - the DNC hack occurred just a few months after Trump announced and when no one thought he had a chance for the nomination.

On #4 - at the time of the deal Team Donny had none of this information and the likelihood he would get it (actually become elected) was basically zilch.

Taken together; the Russians must have talked to Future Man to make this play.

None of the Russian activities was designed to win the primary for Trump and the chances he would at the time of this deal were so low it's nuts.

Seems more likely Russia was expecting Hillary to win the nomination and Presidency. The efforts were aimed at helping Bernie and whoever the R nominee was.

As stated many times, I don't condone the Russian activities and the hacking part definitely is beyond the game countries play with each other. On the other hand, I recognize we (USA) meddle with elections frequently - I can only hope we don't go as far as Russia did.

I'll await the official evidence that any of the collusion stuff actually occurred
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#2,539
#2,539
volinbham said:
On #3 - the DNC hack occurred just a few months after Trump announced and when no one thought he had a chance for the nomination.

On #4 - at the time of the deal Team Donny had none of this information and the likelihood he would get it (actually become elected) was basically zilch.

Taken together; the Russians must have talked to Future Man to make this play.

None of the Russian activities was designed to win the primary for Trump and the chances he would at the time of this deal were so low it's nuts.

Seems more likely Russia was expecting Hillary to win the nomination and Presidency. The efforts were aimed at helping Bernie and whoever the R nominee was.

As stated many times, I don't condone the Russian activities and the hacking part definitely is beyond the game countries play with each other. On the other hand, I recognize we (USA) meddle with elections frequently - I can only hope we don't go as far as Russia did.

I'll await the official evidence that any of the collusion stuff actually occurred
Click to expand...

*alleged hacking

and they dont have proof, they don't need it and don't care all they have to do is keep talking about it because they want to liter the next 3.5 years with false allegations.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#2,540
#2,540
volinbham said:
On #3 - the DNC hack occurred just a few months after Trump announced and when no one thought he had a chance for the nomination.

On #4 - at the time of the deal Team Donny had none of this information and the likelihood he would get it (actually become elected) was basically zilch.

Taken together; the Russians must have talked to Future Man to make this play.

None of the Russian activities was designed to win the primary for Trump and the chances he would at the time of this deal were so low it's nuts.

Seems more likely Russia was expecting Hillary to win the nomination and Presidency. The efforts were aimed at helping Bernie and whoever the R nominee was.

As stated many times, I don't condone the Russian activities and the hacking part definitely is beyond the game countries play with each other. On the other hand, I recognize we (USA) meddle with elections frequently - I can only hope we don't go as far as Russia did.

I'll await the official evidence that any of the collusion stuff actually occurred
Click to expand...

Ah, the hacks occurred, indeed.

But when did the actual releases occur?

May complicate your explanation a bit.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#2,544
#2,544
volprof said:
Ah, doing a little research, are you.

You can start calling him "Dick Pics" just like golfballs.
Click to expand...

He's the guy that wrote the article about an intelligence community coup against Trump in response to anger about Trump's comments per the intelligence community.

He doesn't sound like a calm voice on which I'd base my beliefs--i.e. I wouldn't trust him in the least.
 
#2,546
#2,546
Cheaters got out cheated, I love it. Let the meltdown continue. These next 8 years are gonna be so sweet.
 
#2,547
#2,547
Sure, emails just spontaneously published themselves around the globe.

Remind me who the crazy ones are here?
 
#2,548
#2,548
Velo Vol said:
Sure, emails just spontaneously published themselves around the globe.

Remind me who the crazy ones are here?
Click to expand...

Those are the only two options? Spontaneously posted or emails or Russians?

You're still the crazy one as evident from your above post
 
#2,549
#2,549
New rule: we need not explain accusations. Just say it will come out at the "right time."

C8qdgy-UMAAExHo.jpg:large
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top