TrumPutinGate

[Mick]

I ask Mick questions because I don’t agree with what he is saying. I like to know why people believe differently than I do. A well thought out explanation could cause me to change my opinion on many fronts.

I’m not sure why you think I am overestimating the intelligence of the American voter. I just wanted to know who the weak minded voter that was swayed by Russia. Since I got an insult instead of an answer from Mick, I assume he doesn’t know.

You would disagree with the demographics on the notion. It would be the uneducated, It would be the people that lack the concepts of advertising, influence, and behavior. I find your question disingenuous since you don't believe anyone was influenced and what the Russians did had no effect.

 

[Mick]

But it is the lefts side that hasn’t even figured out how to use email.

I have yet to see a Trump email.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I have yet to see a Trump email.

That’s because they hired better IT security people

 

[Mick]

That’s because they hired better IT security people

It's because he doesn't use it, no papertrail. Jr. is screw though.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

You would be wrong to say there are reports that say the Russian interference had no effect on the outcome.

It looks like pompeo said it, but was later redacted. After doing a little research it doesn’t look like there has been a report either way that has said if it affected the election. Most say they meddled, but do not state whether they changed the results.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It's because he doesn't use it, no papertrail. Jr. is screw though.

I knew Trump didn’t use email he’s a crumudgeon in that regard. Just could pass up the tee ball. Jr will be fine too.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It looks like pompeo said it, but was later redacted. After doing a little research it doesn’t look like there has been a report either way that has said if it affected the election. Most say they meddled, but do not state whether they changed the results.

One of the Muell’s indictments stated there was no evidence the Russian activity had any effect on the election outcome. It’s their own conspiracy theory that it did.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

One of the Muell’s indictments indicated no evidence the Russian activity had any effect on the election outcome. It’s their own conspiracy theory that it did.

This is what I thought, but can’t seem to find anything on it.

 

[NorthDallas40]

This is what I thought, but can’t seem to find anything on it.

It was an early one indicting the Russian companies I believe

 

[lawgator1]

There is no way to empirically know whether the Russian effort changed the outcome. You'd have to query millions of people and figure out what influenced them and where it came from.

But us smart people do appreciate you guys trying to dumb it down with a "no harm, no foul" test. Really, kudos.

 

[NorthDallas40]

There is no way to empirically know whether the Russian effort changed the outcome. You'd have to query millions of people and figure out what influenced them and where it came from.

But us smart people do appreciate you guys trying to dumb it down with a "no harm, no foul" test. Really, kudos.

Take it up with Mueller his own teams statements point to no impact on the election.

But we know “hope” is all you have on this empty collusion rabbit hole now

And again your boy Comey did more than any Russian ever could. And she didn’t get off her fat ass and campaign... but it had to be Russians

 

[volfanjustin]

Take it up with Mueller his own teams statements point to no impact on the election.

But we know “hope” is all you have on this empty collusion rabbit hole now

I can't find the video for the life of me but there were 2 guys, one maybe Clapper? I can't remember but they were asked by a committee about every swing state if one vote was changed because of the Russians and both said no to every swing state

 

[lawgator1]

Take it up with Mueller his own teams statements point to no impact on the election.

But we know “hope” is all you have on this empty collusion rabbit hole now

And again your boy Comey did more than any Russian ever could. And she didn’t get off her fat ass and campaign... but it had to be Russians

I can't find the video for the life of me but there were 2 guys, one maybe Clapper? I can't remember but they were asked by a committee about every swing state if one vote was changed because of the Russians and both said no to every swing state

False. Utterly false.

They might have said in response to GOP questions that there is no evidence proving it. That would be a correct response. But there is ZERO chance anyone with a semblance of a brain would say that the evidence is that it did not change the result.

Because by definition it is unknowable.

Debating people on this topic is frustrating because, seriously, it is so obviously wrong to say that you know it did not change the result. YOU CANNOT KNOW THAT.

 

[luthervol]

Donna Brazille agrees with you 100%

True, we both agree it was nonsense.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What is the basis for your comment that "it's looking like the SC will not make a finding of said conspiracy"?

What is the factual basis for your assertion that he has not made such a finding?

Lol. Because something tangible would have been leaked by now.

 

[luthervol]

That's the thing. He has just barely enough sense to realize how stupid he is.

and enough money to surround himself with people whose job it is to convince him otherwise.

 

[volfanjustin]

False. Utterly false.

They might have said in response to GOP questions that there is no evidence proving it. That would be a correct response. But there is ZERO chance anyone with a semblance of a brain would say that the evidence is that it did not change the result.

Because by definition it is unknowable.

Debating people on this topic is frustrating because, seriously, it is so obviously wrong to say that you know it did not change the result. YOU CANNOT KNOW THAT.

There is zero proof any vote was changed or influenced. Now don't you all think it would benefit your side to self examine why you lost instead of looking back at an election that was 2.5 years ago?

 

[Hunerwadel]

;;

 

[NorthDallas40]

False. Utterly false.

They might have said in response to GOP questions that there is no evidence proving it. That would be a correct response. But there is ZERO chance anyone with a semblance of a brain would say that the evidence is that it did not change the result.

Because by definition it is unknowable.

Debating people on this topic is frustrating because, seriously, it is so obviously wrong to say that you know it did not change the result. YOU CANNOT KNOW THAT.

OMFG you’re full of it! The whole dialog is in this thread. We pointed out the statement and you moonbats came back with “yeah it says it here but that’s not proof it hasn’t happened elsewhere!” and elsewhere has yet materialize and the clock is running out. Tic toc

 

[NorthDallas40]

;;

Smartest retort statement you’ve ever made.

 

[lawgator1]

There is zero proof any vote was changed or influenced. Now don't you all think it would benefit your side to self examine why you lost instead of looking back at an election that was 2.5 years ago?

OMFG you’re full of it! The whole dialog is in this thread. We pointed out the statement and you moonbats came back with “yeah it says it here but that’s not proof it hasn’t happened elsewhere!” and elsewhere has yet materialize and the clock is running out. Tic toc

At this point I just have to pray to God that both of you are just being intentionally antagonistic and obtuse. No one could possibly be so stupid as to claim that, because we cannot know which votes, if any, were changed as a result of influence by the Russians, that its all okay and there is no reason to be concerned about it.

 

[NorthDallas40]

At this point I just have to pray to God that both of you are just being intentionally antagonistic and obtuse. No one could possibly be so stupid as to claim that, because we cannot know which votes, if any, were changed as a result of influence by the Russians, that its all okay and there is no reason to be concerned about it.

Lol. That’s exactly what you’re doing “counselor”. Attempting to create evidence where none has been presented to date to support your agenda.

This must be from the new talking point list to support the basis of a continued Schittz witch hunt.

 

[volbeast33]

It's because he doesn't use it, no papertrail. Jr. is screw though.

So you are saying Trump is smarter than Democrats

 

[RockyTop85]

I ask Mick questions because I don’t agree with what he is saying. I like to know why people believe differently than I do. A well thought out explanation could cause me to change my opinion on many fronts.

I’m not sure why you think I am overestimating the intelligence of the American voter. I just wanted to know who the weak minded voter that was swayed by Russia. Since I got an insult instead of an answer from Mick, I assume he doesn’t know.

First, the question is an unanswerable, rhetorical trap. Either the person attempts to answer the question and their answer is ridiculed for being inadequate or they fail to answer and their opinion is declared invalid.

Here, the premise of this rhetorical device hinges on an assumption that gullible or uninformed individuals are uncommon in the electorate and that this assumption must be refuted for any theory of dumb voters being duped to be valid.

You clearly thought it would be effective, because you implemented it. Thus, you think highly of the electorate.

However, there is plenty of evidence right here to prove that the electorate is not so clever.

Therefore, I concluded that you are overestimating the electorate.

Of course, you already knew all of that. That’s doubly confirmed by your unwillingness to acknowledge the tremendous amount of voter stupidity that you overlooked on your way to asking the question, and your desire to attribute ignorance to Mick’s insults to wedge his response back into the binary choice explained above.

 

[volfanjustin]

At this point I just have to pray to God that both of you are just being intentionally antagonistic and obtuse. No one could possibly be so stupid as to claim that, because we cannot know which votes, if any, were changed as a result of influence by the Russians, that its all okay and there is no reason to be concerned about it.

Comey and director of the NSA disagree with you