TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
That's what you get for thinking that.....stupidity.

Obama was voted the worst President ever.

Out of control liberal rule was what was bringing down the country so fast that Middle America elected someone to stop the bleeding.
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They voted for someone they were deluded into thinking would stop the bleeding.

Instead, the deficit is ballooned and the wealthy are given an enormous tax windfall. Russia is making advances and securing footholds it will take decades to unravel, if we ever can. The country internally is more confrontational and divided.

Don't be fooled by a blip in the stock market and thinking your retirement is now secured. Trump is an atrocious human being, a glutton, a selfish pig. And an even worse President, as you will soon come to understand.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
DUDe seriously? You might now like Obama’s policies but he wasn’t a bad person
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Obama was a slick talker, IMO. Personally have no clue on what basis he won the first election, he never really did anything.

I don’t know the dude, but from a few off the record in DC ...and a few on the record...Obama was one of the most narcissistic, self-absorbed people some leaders ever dealt with. Obama never listened to anyone, always thought he was smarter than every expert in the room, and treated every meeting as an opportunity to lecture everyone else.

But hey, doesn’t mean he was a ‘bad’ person.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Is the beach pretty wide up at Barrier Dunes? It is about down to nothing at high tide at my place. They are going to start pumping sand in to replenish the beach from the rocks up to Billy Rish Park early this Summer. Pretty big crane down at the rocks, eh?
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Not a lot of beach. That's the biggest complaint I have. From high tide to low tide I think you may gain 20 yards of beach (at most). It doesn't seem to have changed any from last summer.
 
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luthervol said:
Not a lot of beach. That's the biggest complaint I have. From high tide to low tide I think you may gain 20 yards of beach (at most). It doesn't seem to have changed any from last summer.
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They are spending $13 million on beach replenishment, but it won't get as far as Barrier Dunes. There have been people protesting because the upper end of the Cape is going to be left out.

I have seen signs that said "sand for all, or sand for none." There was not enough money available to do the original plan (from the rocks to the St. Joseph park at the end), so the county is getting reverse bids as to how far up the coast that can get fixed for the $13 million they have. They estimate that the money will take the project up to Billy Rish park.The work on the rock wall is a different project.
 
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1972 Grad said:
They are spending $13 million on beach replenishment, but it won't get as far as Barrier Dunes. There have been people protesting because the upper end of the Cape is going to be left out.

I have seen signs that said "sand for all, or sand for none." There was not enough money available to do the original plan (from the rocks to the St. Joseph park at the end), so the county is getting reverse bids as to how far up the coast that can get fixed for the $13 million they have. They estimate that the money will take the project up to Billy Rish park.The work on the rock wall is a different project.
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The rock wall is an impressive project. Have the beaches changed since last summer? Like I said, the ones at Barrier Dunes seem the same. I would estimate 30-40 yards of beach. Nice sand. The only thing I see is that the steep elevation of the shore line keeps the beach area from expanding hardly at all from high tide to low tide. I'm not sure if it has always been that way.

We also go to St. Augustine frequently and there is just so much more beach in general and the difference in beach area between low and high tide is much greater.
 
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luthervol said:
The rock wall is an impressive project. Have the beaches changed since last summer? Like I said, the ones at Barrier Dunes seem the same. I would estimate 30-40 yards of beach. Nice sand. The only thing I see is that the steep elevation of the shore line keeps the beach area from expanding hardly at all from high tide to low tide. I'm not sure if it has always been that way.

We also go to St. Augustine frequently and there is just so much more beach in general and the difference in beach area between low and high tide is much greater.
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The beach is much wider down by the Sand Bucket area. The beach is almost non-existent where my place is near the Trading Post. You have a 6 foot tall cliff, and have to climb down to the beach. I had a beach chair up next to the bank (as far away from the water as possible) and the ocean went under my chair at about 5:00 in the afternoon. Of course, the ocean was much rougher than usual because of the winds, I guess.

They are going to have to fix it this year, or people will quit coming. I just hope that we don't get a bad storm, and it tears it all up after they spend $13 million.
 
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Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told special counsel Robert Mueller in a classified August 2, 2017, memo that he should investigate allegations that President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort was "colluding with Russian government officials" to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, prosecutors in the Russia probe revealed late Monday night.

The revelation of the August 2 memo comes amid a broader court filing from Mueller's prosecutors that offers a full-throated defense of their investigative powers and indictments thus far. In the filing, the special counsel's office argues that a federal judge should not throw out Manafort's case. Manafort has sought to have the case dismissed, arguing that the charges against him are outside of Mueller's authority.

Mueller authorized by DOJ to investigate alleged Manafort collusion with Russian government - CNNPolitics
 
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This is newsworthy regarding Rosenstein. It reveals that he is actively handling the Muller investigation and specifically where he can go in where he can't in terms of indictments and management of the investigation.

For those who've argued that the investigation is simply a fishing expedition and is going out of the bounds of the mandate that Muller has, this revelation disproves that theory altogether. Rosenstein would have shut down the investigation were it not producing results.

Also of interest, I was not aware that Roger Stone claimed via email he actually had dinner with Assange in the summer of 2016. If true that is a bombshell.

Redirect Notice
 
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Mick said:
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told special counsel Robert Mueller in a classified August 2, 2017, memo that he should investigate allegations that President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort was "colluding with Russian government officials" to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, prosecutors in the Russia probe revealed late Monday night.

The revelation of the August 2 memo comes amid a broader court filing from Mueller's prosecutors that offers a full-throated defense of their investigative powers and indictments thus far. In the filing, the special counsel's office argues that a federal judge should not throw out Manafort's case. Manafort has sought to have the case dismissed, arguing that the charges against him are outside of Mueller's authority.

Mueller authorized by DOJ to investigate alleged Manafort collusion with Russian government - CNNPolitics
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If Manafort broke laws, he deserves punishment. Equal justice for all.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
This is newsworthy regarding Rosenstein. It reveals that he is actively handling the Muller investigation and specifically where he can go in where he can't in terms of indictments and management of the investigation.

For those who've argued that the investigation is simply a fishing expedition and is going out of the bounds of the mandate that Muller has, this revelation disproves that theory altogether. Rosenstein would have shut down the investigation were it not producing results.

Also of interest, I was not aware that Roger Stone claimed via email he actually had dinner with Assange in the summer of 2016. If true that is a bombshell.

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Read article. Nothing new or surprising.
And confirmed none of the charges Manafort currently faces alleges coordination with the Kremlin.

In regards to continuing the Trump-Russia collusion fantasy...

In a text exchange on Friday before the WSJ report, Stone said he "never met or spoke with Assange ever," and Stone told The Journal the contents of the email were "said in jest."

Stone also noted that his passport showed that he did not leave the country in 2016.
 
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I wonder what -- and who. -- are discussed in the still blacked out parts of the memo. There is no reason to black out the parts we know about, like Flynn.

My guess is Kush and Donny. Maybe even to investigate blackmail of Donny.
 
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Note Rosenstein's direction to Mueller on new potential lines of criminal behavior. He tells Mueller to follow 28 CFR 600.4B:

(b)Additional jurisdiction. If in the course of his or her investigation the Special Counsel concludes that additional jurisdiction beyond that specified in his or her original jurisdiction is necessary in order to fully investigate and resolve the matters assigned, or to investigate new matters that come to light in the course of his or her investigation, he or she shall consult with the Attorney General, who will determine whether to include the additional matters within the Special Counsel's jurisdiction or assign them elsewhere.

Thus, if Mueller is investigating - as has been alleged - potential money laundering by Trump - Rosenstein would have had to approve it. This blows up any allegations that Mueller has any unfettered ability to engage in pure fishing expeditions or "witch hunts".
 
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lawgator1 said:
I wonder what -- and who. -- are discussed in the still blacked out parts of the memo. There is no reason to black out the parts we know about, like Flynn.

My guess is Kush and Donny. Maybe even to investigate blackmail of Donny.
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Because they wouldn’t black out informants?
 
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lawgator1 said:
I wonder what -- and who. -- are discussed in the still blacked out parts of the memo. There is no reason to black out the parts we know about, like Flynn.

My guess is Kush and Donny. Maybe even to investigate blackmail of Donny.
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We know the theft and release of the DNC emails and efforts to spread propaganda was part of it. I think most of it is blacked out because the Manafort part is all they need in this case. But you are probably right. Obstruction was also part of it just based on what we know.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Because they wouldn’t black out informants?
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Such as?

According to you guys it was all generated by the fake dossier. If so, there would be no informants to protect. Especially now.

No, in context the memo is discussing other people for whom investigation continues.
 
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Mick said:
We know the theft and release of the DNC emails and efforts to spread propaganda was part of it. I think most of it is blacked out because the Manafort part is all they need in this case. But you are probably right. Obstruction was also part of it just based on what we know.
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Especially by that point I time.
 
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