TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

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AirVol said:
Mother Jones? That’s like the national inquirer. No wonder your mind is poisoned.
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Lol, yeah they were the same one's spreading phony lies about Trump's Deutsche Banks scheme and Kushchner, both debunked...they are major Repub and anti-Trump smear group.

Mother Jones = astroturf, appear real, but fake

Top 10 Astroturfers | Sharyl Attkisson
 
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Septic said:
Oh I do, we may not agree on much but I'm sure we could at least agree that Obama is both a better leader and far smarter than donny.

In all honesty, it was just so breathtaking to see you able to stumble through a post without blaming something on Hilary or Barack - I thought it was worth a shout out.

You're welcome.
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Smarter is entirely subjective. And underestimating him is the reason he won.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
Ben Shapiro: Trump's lawyers 'should lock him in the White House basement' to avoid Mueller testimony | TheHill

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I'd hide him in the bunker. Trump might go Gunnery Seargent on his ass.


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#2,990
#2,990
Septic said:
It wasn't a questions and that wasn't bait, you just stated something incredibly ironic. I wasn't looking for a response.
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It's human nature to seek out and give credence to information sources that jibe with our preconceived narratives, regardless of factual accuracy. It's a way to confirm our ideas about various matters, which gives us a reassuring feeling. That's why conservatives tend to flock to sources like Fox News and liberals to CNN and MSNBC. We want confirmation of our own bias.

EDIT: Not the optimal source, mind you, but this explains the concept.

Confirmation bias - Wikipedia
 
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Vol0725 said:
Stop reading their crap.Smarten-up, they're propagandists, trying to convince you there’s widespread support for or against an agenda when there’s not.
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Dude is Russian...besides I've been reading all of your right wing propaganda. :p
 
#2,992
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Sorry libs n dems, but...:salute:

A+ GRADE article, perfect legal opinion...pretty much case closed IMO:

Consequently, what this episode ought to focus the commentariat on is the obstruction angle of the Mueller investigation. It is cockamamie.

The theory behind this aspect of the special counsel’s work is that President Trump obstructed the Russia probe by, principally, (a) leaning on Comey to drop the investigation of Michael Flynn, (b) firing Comey, and (c) “threatening” to fire Mueller. Here is the problem: The Russia investigation is principally a counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 investigation. The president cannot interfere in a counterintelligence investigation. Trump can no more obstruct the Russia investigation by taking actions that could conceivably affect it than Obama could obstruct the Russia investigation by being briefed on it and giving the FBI directions on it. Counterintelligence investigations are conducted for the president.

The point of the Russia investigation is to gather the information that President Trump needs to protect the country, including our electoral system. You can snicker at that all you want if you are Trump-deranged and invested in the fantasy that Trump “colluded” with Russia to undermine our electoral system. But the following happen to be constitutional facts: Trump is president and counterintelligence operations are conducted for the purpose of informing him, not for the purpose of building criminal prosecutions.

If Mueller was to be engaged in a criminal investigation of Trump, the Justice Department was supposed to make that clear in defining the scope of the special-counsel appointment. It did no such thing.

Read more at: Lisa Page's Obama & FBI Text Shows Trump Obstruction Claims' Absurdity | National Review
 
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Vol0725 said:
Sorry libs n dems, but...:salute:

A+ GRADE article, perfect legal opinion...pretty much case closed IMO:

Consequently, what this episode ought to focus the commentariat on is the obstruction angle of the Mueller investigation. It is cockamamie.

The theory behind this aspect of the special counsel’s work is that President Trump obstructed the Russia probe by, principally, (a) leaning on Comey to drop the investigation of Michael Flynn, (b) firing Comey, and (c) “threatening” to fire Mueller. Here is the problem: The Russia investigation is principally a counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 investigation. The president cannot interfere in a counterintelligence investigation. Trump can no more obstruct the Russia investigation by taking actions that could conceivably affect it than Obama could obstruct the Russia investigation by being briefed on it and giving the FBI directions on it. Counterintelligence investigations are conducted for the president.

The point of the Russia investigation is to gather the information that President Trump needs to protect the country, including our electoral system. You can snicker at that all you want if you are Trump-deranged and invested in the fantasy that Trump “colluded” with Russia to undermine our electoral system. But the following happen to be constitutional facts: Trump is president and counterintelligence operations are conducted for the purpose of informing him, not for the purpose of building criminal prosecutions.

If Mueller was to be engaged in a criminal investigation of Trump, the Justice Department was supposed to make that clear in defining the scope of the special-counsel appointment. It did no such thing.

Read more at: Lisa Page's Obama & FBI Text Shows Trump Obstruction Claims' Absurdity | National Review
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This is laughable. So I will.

:eek:lol:
 
#2,995
#2,995
Vol0725 said:
Sorry libs n dems, but...:salute:

A+ GRADE article, perfect legal opinion...pretty much case closed IMO:

Consequently, what this episode ought to focus the commentariat on is the obstruction angle of the Mueller investigation. It is cockamamie.

The theory behind this aspect of the special counsel’s work is that President Trump obstructed the Russia probe by, principally, (a) leaning on Comey to drop the investigation of Michael Flynn, (b) firing Comey, and (c) “threatening” to fire Mueller. Here is the problem: The Russia investigation is principally a counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 investigation. The president cannot interfere in a counterintelligence investigation. Trump can no more obstruct the Russia investigation by taking actions that could conceivably affect it than Obama could obstruct the Russia investigation by being briefed on it and giving the FBI directions on it. Counterintelligence investigations are conducted for the president.

The point of the Russia investigation is to gather the information that President Trump needs to protect the country, including our electoral system. You can snicker at that all you want if you are Trump-deranged and invested in the fantasy that Trump “colluded” with Russia to undermine our electoral system. But the following happen to be constitutional facts: Trump is president and counterintelligence operations are conducted for the purpose of informing him, not for the purpose of building criminal prosecutions.

If Mueller was to be engaged in a criminal investigation of Trump, the Justice Department was supposed to make that clear in defining the scope of the special-counsel appointment. It did no such thing.

Read more at: Lisa Page's Obama & FBI Text Shows Trump Obstruction Claims' Absurdity | National Review
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Very weak premise. Mueller was not tasked with simply investigating Russian influence. The letter specifically said that he is to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Trump," plus "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

Trump made comments that the reason he got rid of Comey was because of the Russian investigation, and Comey reports that Trump wanted him to back off of investigating Flynn.

Trump's actions are consistent with an intent to obstruct justice. His comments certainly suggest that was his intent. In the end, a jury will have to decide.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Very weak premise. Mueller was not tasked with simply investigating Russian influence. The letter specifically said that he is to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Trump," plus "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

Trump made comments that the reason he got rid of Comey was because of the Russian investigation, and Comey reports that Trump wanted him to back off of investigating Flynn.

Trump's actions are consistent with an intent to obstruct justice. His comments certainly suggest that was his intent. In the end, a jury will have to decide.
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Did you even read the article from this legal expert?

It might be different if the Russia investigation were principally a criminal investigation and Trump were a suspect. But it is not (according to the Justice Department’s order appointing Mueller) and he is not (according to Director Comey, in conjunction with the utter absence of evidence that Trump was involved in any criminal conspiracy, much less a criminal conspiracy involving Russian espionage against the United States).

There was manifestly no impropriety in the FBI’s briefing of President Obama about the state of its counterintelligence investigation of what was alleged to be Russia’s efforts to court Trump. Whether that investigation was catalyzed by good faith fear or a sinister political agenda to spy on the opposition candidate, or both, is a question worth exploring.

It does not change the constitutional fact: The FBI’s counterintelligence operations are undertaken for the purpose of informing the president. Just the same, President Trump cannot obstruct a counterintelligence investigation.

Such investigations are not undertaken to build prosecutions but to inform him.

That’s the point.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Very weak premise. Mueller was not tasked with simply investigating Russian influence. The letter specifically said that he is to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Trump," plus "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

Trump made comments that the reason he got rid of Comey was because of the Russian investigation, and Comey reports that Trump wanted him to back off of investigating Flynn.

Trump's actions are consistent with an intent to obstruct justice. His comments certainly suggest that was his intent. In the end, a jury will have to decide.
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And Hillary bashing phones and wiping servers is merely an exercise in recycling and cleaning?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Very weak premise. Mueller was not tasked with simply investigating Russian influence. The letter specifically said that he is to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Trump," plus "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

Trump made comments that the reason he got rid of Comey was because of the Russian investigation, and Comey reports that Trump wanted him to back off of investigating Flynn.

Trump's actions are consistent with an intent to obstruct justice. His comments certainly suggest that was his intent. In the end, a jury will have to decide.
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I’m shocked that you are smarter than a US attorney. You should go to try outs.
 
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