Trump promises and proposals tracking thread.

#576
#576
Ritzwatch said:
Brother, you asked for a list, the first page had a list. I thought that would be helpful for you.

I wasn’t celebrating anything, I was simply trying to be helpful.

No good deed….
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It was helpful. I was referring to the poster who I originally quoted who said Trump is "quickly following through on a ton of promises." He's done some things, none of which are going to help lower prices or bring down inflation.
 
#577
#577
K-town Vol Fan said:
It was helpful. I was referring to the poster who I originally quoted who said Trump is "quickly following through on a ton of promises." He's done some things, none of which are going to help lower prices or bring down inflation.
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Well, try to be a bit more surgical with your strikes, my man. Not everything requires throwing punches. It is just bad form.

That said, apology accepted. 😉
 
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#580
VOLS INC. said:
Personally I don’t know what he’s even talking about. Bidenomics has been wonderful!! Trump should just keep doing that.
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Well so far, that's what he's doing. He hasn't done anything to help inflation. Deporting people and pardoning criminals doesn't help inflation. Cutting off Medicare and SNAP/WIC sure as hell doesn't help inflation. The war in Ukraine is still happening even though he was supposed to stop it on day 1.

How's your 401k? I saw almost a 25% return last year.
 
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#581
K-town Vol Fan said:
Well so far, that's what he's doing. He hasn't done anything to help inflation. Deporting people and pardoning criminals doesn't help inflation. Cutting off Medicare and SNAP/WIC sure as hell doesn't help inflation. The war in Ukraine is still happening even though he was supposed to stop it on day 1.

How's your 401k? I saw almost a 25% return last year.
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Deporting people? Thats cute.

Murderers, sex traffickers, and child predators are being deported at a rapid rate. But hey, you have a healthy 401k so who gives a damn.
 
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#582
VOLS INC. said:
Deporting people? Thats cute.

Murderers, sex traffickers, and child predators are being deported at a rapid rate. But hey, you have a healthy 401k so who gives a damn.
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Whatever news you consume has you convinced immigrants = criminals. Sad. Do you think they're eating cats and dogs too?
 
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#583
K-town Vol Fan said:
Whatever news you consume has you convinced immigrants = criminals. Sad. Do you think they're eating cats and dogs too?
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Do you ever grow tired of getting owned on this forum? I mean you are wrong almost as often as LG. Watch this. I dare you. We are deporting actual murderers and sexual deviants.



But I’m sure you will continue to believe ALL the people that invaded our country under Biden were just poor brown people seeking asylum.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Whatever news you consume has you convinced immigrants = criminals. Sad. Do you think they're eating cats and dogs too?
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Other than people like you actively misrepresenting illegal immigrant status, meaning immigrants here in the US not via legal immigration means, absolutely nobody is doing that.

This hot take is as stupid as the attempted loaded question at the WH presser today that landed with a thud. As the press secretary said if immigrants are here illegally they are by definition criminals.
 
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#585
VOLS INC. said:
Do you ever grow tired of getting owned on this forum? I mean you are wrong almost as often as LG. Watch this. I dare you. We are deporting actual murderers and sexual deviants.



But I’m sure you will continue to believe ALL the people that invaded our country under Biden were just poor brown people seeking asylum.
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So like 6 people out of how many?
 
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#588
NorthDallas40 said:
Ok I take it back. This is a stupider hot take than the one I quoted just above.
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It’s sad to watch once fairly reasonable posters experience stage 4 TDS. All we can do is hope they seek help.

He can’t even be happy these people are no longer a threat to our society. Most of the ones she listed hurt children.
 
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#590
BowlBrother85 said:
The way the 14th Amendment is written doesn't seem to give any wiggle room for interpretation in bringing an end to the birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants.
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I don't see how it is possibly to stop birthright citizenship without a Constitutional Amendment. It is probably outside the expectations of the drafters that this would happen but that is why they left out Amendments if people wanted to do it.
 
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#591
hog88 said:
It’s more vague than the 2nd but you guys continue to wiggle.
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It's not vague at all. Right-wing pundits are misinterpreting a key phrase.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Birthright Citizenship

What is Birthright Citizenship? Birthright citizenship is a legal principle under which citizenship is automatically granted to individuals upon birth. There are two forms of birthright citizenship: ancestry-based citizenship and birthplace-based citizenship. Birthplace-based citizenship, which...
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

The key portion :

".... and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside."

.... of this line in the 14th Amendment :

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside."

.... is being misapplied by the right. That phrase was included as a clause to exclude the children of diplomats, who have diplomatic immunity from criminal prosecution, and are therefore not covered under birthright citizenship and Native Americans who have been granted legal sovereignty. The right-wing wants to apply it towards illegal immigrants and non-permanent residents as well. However, those people are subject to criminal prosecutions if they violate American laws.

Now, I don't have a problem with ending the practice of so-called "anchor babies," but that will have to be done by way of a Constitutional Amendment. Trump's executive order doesn't have a prayer of holding up under judicial scrutiny.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's not vague at all. Right-wing pundits are misinterpreting a key phrase.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Birthright Citizenship

What is Birthright Citizenship? Birthright citizenship is a legal principle under which citizenship is automatically granted to individuals upon birth. There are two forms of birthright citizenship: ancestry-based citizenship and birthplace-based citizenship. Birthplace-based citizenship, which...
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

The key portion :

".... and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside."

.... of this line in the 14th Amendment :

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside."

.... is being misapplied by the right. That phrase was included as a clause to exclude the children of diplomats, who have diplomatic immunity from criminal prosecution, and are therefore not covered under birthright citizenship and Native Americans who have been granted legal sovereignty. The right-wing wants to apply it towards illegal immigrants and non-permanent residents as well. However, those people are subject to criminal prosecutions if they violate American laws.

Now, I don't have a problem with ending the practice of so-called "anchor babies," but that will have to be done by way of a Constitutional Amendment. Trump's executive order doesn't have a prayer of holding up under judicial scrutiny.
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Again, all you have to do is have ICE meet them at the hospital. They can be deported while the child is handed over to the state.
 
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#593
volbound1700 said:
I don't see how it is possibly to stop birthright citizenship without a Constitutional Amendment. It is probably outside the expectations of the drafters that this would happen but that is why they left out Amendments if people wanted to do it.
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Exactly .... and I don't have a problem with stopping this anchor baby crap. It will just have to be done with a Constitutional Amendment. An executive order won't suffice. The wording of the 14th Amendment is really not vague at all, when applied in the appropriate context of it's precedent (United States v. Wong Kim Ark 1898).
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's not vague at all. Right-wing pundits are misinterpreting a key phrase.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Birthright Citizenship

What is Birthright Citizenship? Birthright citizenship is a legal principle under which citizenship is automatically granted to individuals upon birth. There are two forms of birthright citizenship: ancestry-based citizenship and birthplace-based citizenship. Birthplace-based citizenship, which...
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

The key portion :

".... and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside."

.... of this line in the 14th Amendment :

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside."

.... is being misapplied by the right. That phrase was included as a clause to exclude the children of diplomats, who have diplomatic immunity from criminal prosecution, and are therefore not covered under birthright citizenship and Native Americans who have been granted legal sovereignty. The right-wing wants to apply it towards illegal immigrants and non-permanent residents as well. However, those people are subject to criminal prosecutions if they violate American laws.

Now, I don't have a problem with ending the practice of so-called "anchor babies," but that will have to be done by way of a Constitutional Amendment. Trump's executive order doesn't have a prayer of holding up under judicial scrutiny.
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I agree with you on the 14th. "Shall not be infringed" seems pretty darn clear as well. But the left, and even the courts, have infringed all over it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's not vague at all. Right-wing pundits are misinterpreting a key phrase.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Birthright Citizenship

What is Birthright Citizenship? Birthright citizenship is a legal principle under which citizenship is automatically granted to individuals upon birth. There are two forms of birthright citizenship: ancestry-based citizenship and birthplace-based citizenship. Birthplace-based citizenship, which...
www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

The key portion :

".... and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside."

.... of this line in the 14th Amendment :

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside."

.... is being misapplied by the right. That phrase was included as a clause to exclude the children of diplomats, who have diplomatic immunity from criminal prosecution, and are therefore not covered under birthright citizenship and Native Americans who have been granted legal sovereignty. The right-wing wants to apply it towards illegal immigrants and non-permanent residents as well. However, those people are subject to criminal prosecutions if they violate American laws.

Now, I don't have a problem with ending the practice of so-called "anchor babies," but that will have to be done by way of a Constitutional Amendment. Trump's executive order doesn't have a prayer of holding up under judicial scrutiny.
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I think you are spot on with regard to birthright citizenship: children of diplomats and certain native Americans are exempt from US birthright citizenship, but children of illegal immigrants are not. The kids stay.

However, I don’t think an order of deportation for illegal immigrant parents would be invalid just because there is an “anchor baby.” It just means the child is a citizen; the parents are not. Parents could still be deported, I think. Do you know of any law that states otherwise, or are you just arguing that you think that is the right policy for the US?
 
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#598
#598
volfanhill said:
I'm expecting some response that doesn't understand how commas work and the word militia.
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The founding fathers didn’t understand how commas work. They put them in wherever a breath was needed when speaking, not because of grammatical syntax and structured meaning.

Heck, if commas made a difference, the Bill of Rights has never really been ratified. There were multiple versions circulated to the states for ratification; same text, different numbers of commas. Commas only mattered later.
 
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