Trump Orders U.S. Military Action Against Terrorist Drug Cartels

The fact that you believe using military assets to blow up a few supposed drug sites in Venezuela will have a measurable impact on drug overdoses in the United States, is very telling.
One less boat where the drugs won’t reach anyone. Where did I say it eradicated the drug problem? Just a few post ago you were discussing problems with “reading comprehension.” Now look at’cha…struggling with reading comprehension. This boat being blown up has you rattled. If we are discussing being “very telling.”
 
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One less boat where the drugs won’t reach anyone. Where did I say it eradicated the drug problem? Just a few post ago you were discussing problems with “reading comprehension.” Now look at’cha…struggling with reading comprehension. This boat being blown up has you rattled. If we are discussing being “very telling.”
How much did the US spend to blow up a boat with 11 people in it?

With that boat being gone, and those 11 people being dead, what measurable impact on drug trafficking do you expect to be realized?

Oh wait, is this one of those scenarios where you set aside your "fiscal conservativism" so that you can maintain absolute faith in the object of your political worship?
 
How much did the US spend to blow up a boat with 11 people in it?

With that boat being gone, and those 11 people being dead, what measurable impact on drug trafficking do you expect to be realized?

Oh wait, is this one of those scenarios where you set aside your "fiscal conservativism" so that you can maintain absolute faith in the object of your political worship?
What’s the value of your families life? I need to know what kind of money we are discussing before proceeding. If you can’t answer that, then no need to discuss those families who had their loved ones saved by the one boat blowing up. If we’re discussing fiscal conservatism.

Maybe some self reflection to you today that you are defending drug cartels over Americans.
 
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Was blowing up that "narco terrorist" boat really necessary?

Was it even legal?

The legality of the U.S. military strike on September 2, 2025, against a vessel allegedly operated by Tren de Aragua in international waters remains highly contested and lacks a clear consensus among legal experts, with significant debate centering on international law principles such as the use of force, proportionality, and jurisdiction on the high seas.

### U.S. Government Justification
The Trump administration framed the action as a legitimate counter-terrorism operation. Key points include:
- Tren de Aragua was designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) and Specially Designated Global Terrorist (SDGT) by the U.S. State Department in February 2025, following an executive order issued on January 20, 2025, that expanded such designations to various cartels. This classification allows the U.S. to target the group under domestic counter-terrorism authorities, potentially including the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), though the AUMF's applicability to non-al-Qaeda-affiliated groups like drug cartels is stretched and has been criticized in past contexts.
- Secretary of State Marco Rubio described the strike as "an act of war against a designated narco-terrorist organization," deferring specific legal questions to the White House counsel. President Trump stated the vessel was transporting illegal narcotics toward the U.S., positioning the strike as preventive action against drug trafficking and terrorism.
- A senior U.S. defense official echoed this, noting the vessel was operated by a "designated narco-terrorist organization." Supporters of the strike argue that, under the 1988 United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, states can take cooperative measures to suppress drug trafficking at sea, and the terrorist designation provides additional latitude for kinetic action.

### Criticisms and Legal Concerns
Critics, including international law experts and human rights organizations, argue the strike likely violated international law, particularly since it involved lethal force without an imminent threat or due process. Notable points include:
- The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) governs activities in international waters, allowing boarding and inspection of vessels suspected of certain crimes (e.g., piracy or statelessness), but drug trafficking requires flag-state consent for intervention. Sinking a vessel with a missile strike exceeds standard interdiction protocols, which typically involve warnings, disabling shots, or arrests rather than destruction.
- Adam Isacson, a defense and security expert at the Washington Office on Latin America, called the use of lethal force against a civilian vessel a potential "war crime" if not in self-defense, emphasizing that suspicion of drug smuggling does not justify a "death sentence" and that alternatives like warning shots should have been used.
- Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, a lawyer with the American Immigration Council, questioned the domestic legal basis, noting drug trafficking is not a capital offense and asking what U.S. law authorizes "premeditated assassination" of suspects, suggesting interception and arrest upon entering U.S. waters as a lawful alternative.
- Under Article 2(4) of the UN Charter, the use of force is prohibited except in cases of self-defense (Article 51) or with UN Security Council authorization. Transporting drugs does not constitute an "armed attack" qualifying for self-defense, and no UNSC approval was sought. Venezuela has protested U.S. military deployments in the region and called for UN intervention, though no specific response to this strike was immediately reported.
- A declassified U.S. intelligence report contradicts some justifications by stating Maduro's government likely does not cooperate with or direct Tren de Aragua, undermining claims of state-sponsored terrorism.

### Broader Context and Reactions
- The incident occurred amid escalated U.S.-Venezuela tensions, with U.S. warships deployed to the Caribbean in late August 2025 and prior designations of Venezuelan entities like the Cartel of the Suns as terrorist groups. Former U.S. Navy Admiral James Stavridis described it as "gunboat diplomacy" possibly aimed at pressuring Venezuela beyond drug interdiction.
- Venezuela denied the footage's authenticity and has not issued a direct response to the strike, but officials like President Maduro have accused the U.S. of seeking regime change.
- No international body has ruled on the matter as of September 3, 2025, but the lack of immediate evidence (e.g., recovered narcotics or vessel flag details) fuels skepticism. Conservative outlets and Trump supporters view it as a necessary hardline measure against cartels, while progressive and human rights groups see it as an unlawful escalation.

In summary, while the U.S. asserts the strike was legal under its terrorist designation and counter-narcotics frameworks, many experts substantiate claims that it breaches international law due to excessive force and lack of self-defense justification. Ultimate determination would require investigation by bodies like the International Court of Justice or UN, but no such process has begun.
Those poor drug cartel suppliers? Won't anyone think of them?
 
I want to know how they KNOW this boat was part of a cartel and the people on board were all cartel members?

did they have an informant? We know they didn't board and inspect it. Were any of those 11 people being smuggled/trafficked? have they placed some sort of tracking device on a person involved with the cartel, or some illegal cartel contraband that ended up on that boat?

because I agree that a preemptive death penalty for alleged drug smuggling is outrageous.
Intelligence easily. The fact that type of boat has four high class engines installed and left in the dark cover of night with no lights with armed assailants and where they left from is pretty obvious to those in military and law enforcement
 
What’s the value of your families life? I need to know what kind of money we are discussing before proceeding. If you can’t answer that, then no need to discuss those families who had their loved ones saved by the one boat blowing up.

Maybe some self reflection to you today that you are defending drug cartels over Americans.
Which American family was saved by killing those 11 people, whose identities the government didn't even know, and destroying that speed boat?

Cost to replace an AGM-114 hellfire missile is about $200,000 qlone. That's before you factor in the cost to send the task force to the region and perform the operation in the first place.
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Maybe ask neighbor's kid to help you Google the cost to redeploy 7 navy ships, and 1 nuclear submarine, if you need a more exact number to determine if "fiscal conservatism" can be set aside or not.
 
Which American family was saved by killing those 11 people, whose identities the government didn't even know, and destroying that speed boat?

Cost to replace an AGM-114 hellfire missile is about $200,000 qlone. That's before you factor in the cost to send the task force to the region and perform the operation in the first place.
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Maybe ask neighbor's kid to help you Google the cost to redeploy 7 navy ships, and 1 nuclear submarine, if you need a more exact number to determine if "fiscal conservatism" can be set aside or not.
Which family? The ones that would have taken them….you’re welcome. Did you think they would would sit in a warehouse. Sorry you like drugs in your community. So you can’t put a value on life but instead to side bar with missile cost at $200K. Is that the value you set for your kids (assuming you have kids) or your spouse, mom or dad?

Awesome coming from you crying about Ukraine but somehow appalled by this.
 
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Which family? The ones that would have taken them….you’re welcome. Did you think they would would sit in a warehouse. Sorry you like drugs in your community. So you can’t put a value on life but instead to side bar with missile cost at $200K. Is that the value you set for your kids (assuming you have kids) or your spouse, mom or dad?

Awesome coming from you crying about Ukraine but somehow appalled by this.
If there was no American family in danger, why'd you bring up how much value that I placed on mine?
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You seem to be really struggling with trying to manage the cognitive dissonance required for you to support this action.

Maybe you should take a few minutes for some self evaluation this morning?
 
If there was no American family in danger, why'd you bring up how much value that I placed on mine?
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You seem to be really struggling with trying to manage the cognitive dissonance required for you to support this action.

Maybe you should take a few minutes for some self evaluation this morning?
Where do you think the drugs end up? America. So, again what’s the value you put on your families life? You keep tripping up and not answering a simple question 3 times now. You’re backed into a corner my guy.
 
Where do you think the drugs end up? America. So, again what’s the value you put on your families life? You keep tripping up and not answering a simple question 3 times now.

And? Killing those 11 people, drug traffickers or not, and destroying that boat, will have literally zero impact on US consumption of narcotics; zero.

Why do you keep trying to get me to put a valuation on my families lives? Were those 11 people en route to the united states to kill them, and I didn't know it?

You're making random appeals to emotion because you're finding it hard to justify using 7 ships and a submarine to carry out an operation to blow up a speed boat, that wasn't even headed towards the US, with 11 people on it in international waters.
 
And? Killing those 11 people, drug traffickers or not, and destroying that boat, will have literally zero impact on US consumption of narcotics; zero.

Why do you keep trying to get me to put a valuation on my families lives? Were those 11 people en route to the united states to kill them, and I didn't know it?

You're making random appeals to emotion because you're finding it hard to justify using 7 ships and a submarine to carry out an operation to blow up a speed boat, that wasn't even headed towards the US, with 11 people on it in international waters.
You have no problem with drugs destroying communities, taking other people’s loved ones (no big deal as long as it’s not yours). But chirp about fiscal conservatism and the cost of hell fire missile. I’m asking the value, so we know how much you put the value of an American life, it’s not that hard. A couple million lost in drugs is a nice start, regardless of how you want spin it.
 
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You have no problem with drugs destroying communities, taking other people’s loved ones (no big deal as long ans it’s not yours). But chirp about fiscal conservatism and the cost of hell fire missile. I’m asking the value, so we know how much you put the value of an American life, it’s not that hard. A couple million lost in drugs is a nice start, regardless of how you want spin it.

Which US community(s) is expected to see a positive impact from the destruction of this boat and the deaths of the people on board?

If you really cared about the maritime flow of drugs into the United States, then you'd be pushing for more Coast Guard funding for interdiction, rather than wasting millions on a Naval operation to blow up a single speed boat.

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Which US community(s) is expected to see a positive impact from the destruction of this boat and the deaths of the people on board?

If you really cared about the maritime flow of drugs into the United States, then you'd be pushing for more Coast Guard funding for interdiction, rather than wasting millions on a Naval operation to blow up a single speed boat.

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More deflection. So as it stands based on your not answering it’s deemed a good ROI blowing the boat up.
 
More deflection. So as it stands based on your not answering it’s deemed a good ROI blowing the boat up.

7 ships and 1 submarine to carry out an operation to blow up a single speed boat in international waters, that was not headed to the United States, with 11 people on board that the government has provided no details as to whether or not they were drug traffickers, or what if any amount of drugs were destroyed as well?

No, I'd say that's probably a waste of money no matter how good it made you feel personally for the last day or so.
 
7 ships and 1 submarine to carry out an operation to blow up a single speed boat in international waters, that was not headed to the United States, with 11 people on board that the government has provided no details as to whether or not they were drug traffickers, or what if any amount of drugs were destroyed as well?

No, I'd say that's probably a waste of money no matter how good it made you feel personally for the last day or so.
I’d say those who serve feel different than yourself, they protect Americans. One boat blown up has led to less taking the risk.

You don’t care about the money, you cry about funding Ukraine. So save the fake rage.
 
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I’d say those who serve feel different than yourself, they protect Americans. One boat blown up has led to less taking the risk.

You don’t care about the money, you cry about funding Ukraine. So save the fake rage.
If it save one life is only good when used by the left to take away the rights of legal citizens..your wasting your time..
 
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I’d say those who serve feel different than yourself, they protect Americans. One boat blown up has led to less taking the risk.

You don’t care about the money, you cry about funding Ukraine. So save the fake rage.
It's always interesting to see exactly what altar "fiscal conservatives" will sacrifice their principles on at any given moment

I guess today it's the alter of "faux sense of safety".
 
Which US community(s) is expected to see a positive impact from the destruction of this boat and the deaths of the people on board?

If you really cared about the maritime flow of drugs into the United States, then you'd be pushing for more Coast Guard funding for interdiction, rather than wasting millions on a Naval operation to blow up a single speed boat.

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beginning at the 50 second mark Rubio touches on your plan to stop the drug flow and how it has failed for years.
 
You have no problem with drugs destroying communities, taking other people’s loved ones (no big deal as long as it’s not yours). But chirp about fiscal conservatism and the cost of hell fire missile. I’m asking the value, so we know how much you put the value of an American life, it’s not that hard. A couple million lost in drugs is a nice start, regardless of how you want spin it.
Do you support drone strikes on the Sackler family?
 
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