Trump Orders U.S. Military Action Against Terrorist Drug Cartels

[FLVOL_79]

I found another MS13 member online that Trump needs to deploy military assets to so he can wipe them out. Hopefully Trump can lower the unicorn population to the same percentage of crime like he did DC.

 

[FLVOL_79]

That's a 'no' I take it?

It's funny how people who don't trust the government on vaccine safety research trust the government to kill 11 people in international waters, and provide no evidence supporting their assertions that they were "narco terrorists", other than "trust me bro".

They don't trust the vaccine safety yet the SAME GUY behind its development and deployment is believed when he says he took care of crime in a city..

 

[MontyPython]

How about you get in a boat with the cartels and a gang of drugs that could kill millions and FAFO if the constitution protects you?

There, there now. Relax, lie down and take a deep breath.

Today, we're going to talk about "cognitive dissonance".

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Did they find drugs in the debris?

Did the have surveillance video of them loading drugs on the boat?

Did they even know the identities of the 11 people on the boat?

All valid questions.

 

[Majors]

Maybe it was the Russians.

If the liberals are this mad, it was just a few Maryland dads out fishing.

 

[dalton_vol]

If you need a nanny state to impose "morals" then you never wanted freedom in the first place

I agree. That's my point. To be a moral country you have to be moral. Technically the government does impose morality on its citizens. You can't rob you can't murder. That is a moral standard to

 

[LouderVol]

If they have information that they were going to do harm to the U.S., its actually their duty to do something. I told you guys on day two what was coming, matter of fact, I'm surprised it took this long... as I said back in January people better watch out what they are doing outside the border.



Actually, the opposite, many of the people that have crocodiles tears didn't give a **** when it was Americans getting killed. Yes, these people were fair game if they were going to harm the U.S. Now, none of us have all that information but what is the big deal here? If you have information about someone not working honestly on this than I would be more open to it.

I'm actually pretty critical of the Orange man when it comes to the Ukraine and Iran (Israel), its not like I think he walks on water.

dude you have bent over backwards and changed your position on several things just to align yourself more with Trump. you maintaining a few standards doesn't mean anything.

you remember that Biden signed an EO allowing the military to use lethal force inside the US right? Trump never revoked it. you should be worrying here in the states too.

 

[LouderVol]

I agree. That's my point. To be a moral country you have to be moral. Technically the government does impose morality on its citizens. You can't rob you can't murder. That is a moral standard to

right now the morality of this country is to blow up whatever people they want without proof of anything. I remember when Obama doing that was a problem.

 

[LouderVol]

Is interesting to see you liberals have moved on from illegals and Hamas to now supporting drug cartels.

its interesting to see you conservatives have moved on from small government, financial concerns, and personal rights.

you are far more liberal than the "liberals" you are targeting here.

 

[LSU-SIU]

dude you have bent over backwards and changed your position on several things just to align yourself more with Trump. you maintaining a few standards doesn't mean anything.

you remember that Biden signed an EO allowing the military to use lethal force inside the US right? Trump never revoked it. you should be worrying here in the states too.

I'm doing no such thing. You're a nut.

 

[LouderVol]

I'm doing no such thing. You're a nut.

bombing people was bad. now its good.

 

[LSU-SIU]

bombing people was bad. now its good.

No, bombing is always bad but it can be necessary. Endless war based on lies and money are very bad, imo. The U.S. bombs people all the time, and have been since Trump was in his teens. You do know the U.S. has been shooting drug planes out of the sky for 40+ year? You should be asking why the U.S. is in all these countries bombing people in mass first, not some suspect drug boat. I have no problem with Trump or the U.S. protecting the border and that actually can still be at distance. If you see Trump invading South America, than maybe we can talk more or if you have information that I requested from you to start with.

You lack context as to what I have been speaking about. I have never said the U.S. should never be at war or should never blow up boats. If you have information that something else is going on here, I am all ears but you are constantly coming off like a nut.

I have been very critical of Trump on foreign wars whether it has been the Ukraine or Iran as these don't make much logical sense.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

I want to know how they KNOW this boat was part of a cartel and the people on board were all cartel members?

did they have an informant? We know they didn't board and inspect it. Were any of those 11 people being smuggled/trafficked? have they placed some sort of tracking device on a person involved with the cartel, or some illegal cartel contraband that ended up on that boat?

because I agree that a preemptive death penalty for alleged drug smuggling is outrageous.

I hate to tell you this bruh but you are being watched every hour of every day.

I don’t believe it would be hard for the government to track drug runners via satellite and other surveillance.

The best course of action would have been to stop them in America water and arrested them, but we’re talking about Trump and his mentality.

 

[hog88]

No, bombing is always bad but it can be necessary. Endless war based on lies and money are very bad, imo. The U.S. bombs people all the time, and have been since Trump was in his teens. You do know the U.S. has been shooting drug planes out of the sky for 40+ year? You should be asking why the U.S. is in all these countries bombing people in mass first, not some suspect drug boat. I have no problem with Trump or the U.S. protecting the border and that actually can still be at distance. If you see Trump invading South America, than maybe we can talk more or if you have information that I requested from you to start with.

You lack context as to what I have been speaking about. I have never said the U.S. should never be at war or should never blow up boats. If you have information that something else is going on here, I am all ears but you are constantly coming off like a nut.

I have been very critical of Trump on foreign wars whether it has been the Ukraine or Iran as these don't make much logical sense.

You're going to have to show your work on this.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I hate to tell you this bruh but you are being watched every hour of every day.

I don’t believe it would be hard for the government to track drug runners via satellite and other surveillance.

The best course of action would have been to stop them in America water and arrested them, but we’re talking about Trump and his mentality.

I don't think they will ever stop drugs, but I also don't think they should be able to operate with impunity. Bombing is not necessarily a bad thing. You guys don't even want to talk about what was being planned the week he was put into office, you might get hints from my posts from that week.

The U.S. has been shooting down drug planes since Reagan's first term, its just normally not announced. Which is what makes all this hilarious.

 

[hog88]

I don't think they will ever stop drugs, but I also don't think they should be able to operate with impunity. Bombing is not necessarily a bad thing. You guys don't even want to talk about what was being planned the week he was put into office, you might get hints from my posts from that week.

The U.S. has been shooting down drug planes since Reagan's first term, its just normally not announced. Which is what makes all this hilarious.

Again, you need to show your work on this.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You're going to have to show your work on this.

Policies Inconsistent on Shooting Suspected Drug Planes - ICIJ

The Southern Command/CIA usually works with the other countries to shoot them down, common practice. Its just not normally announced and would in most instances be classified.Trump is announcing it i.e. deterrence, nothing has changed though.

The very bad part about this in the 80s was the Bush family with the CIA were capitalizing on it all. Run drugs to the U.S., buy arms to ship back to terrorists while at the same time getting their cut.

 

[hog88]

Policies Inconsistent on Shooting Suspected Drug Planes - ICIJ

The Southern Command/CIA usually works with the other countries to shoot them down, common practice. Its just not normally announced and would in most instances be classified.Trump is announcing it i.e. deterrence, nothing has changed though.

The very bad part about this in the 80s was the Bush family with the CIA were capitalizing on it all. Run drugs to the U.S., buy arms to ship back to terrorists while at the same time getting their cut.

Since when is Peru "we"?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Since when is Peru "we"?

The U.S. isn't going to admit the downing of planes bro for the reasons specified in the article. Yes, and the U.S. wasn't shipping drug to the U.S. either nor sending arms to Central America. (wink)

As I said, the only thing that really changed is Trump admitted it. You can believe whatever you want to believe, and there was weapons of mass destruction in Iraqi.

 

[LouderVol]

No, bombing is always bad but it can be necessary. Endless war based on lies and money are very bad, imo. The U.S. bombs people all the time, and have been since Trump was in his teens. You do know the U.S. has been shooting drug planes out of the sky for 40+ year? You should be asking why the U.S. is in all these countries bombing people in mass first, not some suspect drug boat. I have no problem with Trump or the U.S. protecting the border and that actually can still be at distance. If you see Trump invading South America, than maybe we can talk more or if you have information that I requested from you to start with.

You lack context as to what I have been speaking about. I have never said the U.S. should never be at war or should never blow up boats. If you have information that something else is going on here, I am all ears but you are constantly coming off like a nut.

I have been very critical of Trump on foreign wars whether it has been the Ukraine or Iran as these don't make much logical sense.

do we even know this boat was going to the US? hard to say you are defending the border, when you don't even know what the "target" was. or even what you are defending against in this particular action.

I asked earlier, and no one responded. What happens when it was like 4 TdA but 7 trafficked girls we just blew out of the water?

its easy to sell yourself on the government over reach when you pretend every boat was jam packed with Marvel level super villains guilty of murdering whole orphanages, on their way to the US with a pocket nuke, and they were seconds away from detonating it in a way that would have completely collapsed our nation as we know it. but most people should recognize that level of fear mongering assumptions makes poor justifications. and its that level of justification that has gotten us into those meaningless wars you speak of.

by the time our government admits to the stuff you claim to be against, it will be far to late to stop it or even complain about it.

 

[BreatheUT]

There, there now. Relax, lie down and take a deep breath.

Today, we're going to talk about "cognitive dissonance".


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Look Pablo, a shooting star. No it's not, oh shhhiiii.....boom!

 

[LouderVol]

I hate to tell you this bruh but you are being watched every hour of every day.

I don’t believe it would be hard for the government to track drug runners via satellite and other surveillance.

The best course of action would have been to stop them in America water and arrested them, but we’re talking about Trump and his mentality.

they may have information on what we are doing. but there is no way for the government to be actively monitoring what 330 million people are actively doing in a meaningful way to go all Minority Report on us.

same goes with Cartels in a different country. literally too much stuff to possibly track with any level of certainty without some level of other support. its why I asked about informants, or leaks, or some collaboration with the local government or spy we have in the area. anything to say this wasn't the military making a presumption that Trump felt he could get away with.

 

[BreatheUT]

Donnie is the King of Debt, Tariffman and the poster child of form over substance...

Tuesday’s strike, which killed 11 people, was unprecedented, said retired US Amb. Luis Moreno, who spent much of his career at the State Department working on counter-narcotic efforts.

“If it really was a major drug trafficking movement, why not do as we’ve always done? Get a beat on it, trace it to where they’re going to drop the drugs off, to a mothership or to someone else, and then seize the whole thing,” he told CNN.

“Just without warning, just blowing it up to smithereens in international waters, that’s not the way you’re supposed to do things,” Moreno said, arguing the strike “was done for drama, for Hollywood effect.”

The lack of vision in this article that assumes they don't have intelligence on the source.

 

[LSU-SIU]

do we even know this boat was going to the US? hard to say you are defending the border, when you don't even know what the "target" was. or even what you are defending against in this particular action.

I asked earlier, and no one responded. What happens when it was like 4 TdA but 7 trafficked girls we just blew out of the water?

its easy to sell yourself on the government over reach when you pretend every boat was jam packed with Marvel level super villains guilty of murdering whole orphanages, on their way to the US with a pocket nuke, and they were seconds away from detonating it in a way that would have completely collapsed our nation as we know it. but most people should recognize that level of fear mongering assumptions makes poor justifications. and its that level of justification that has gotten us into those meaningless wars you speak of.

by the time our government admits to the stuff you claim to be against, it will be far to late to stop it or even complain about it.

You are looking for absolutes which is a mental problem. What happens if a meteorite comes down and hits you in the head? What happens if Trump launches nukes on Canada?

by the time our government admits to the stuff you claim to be against, it will be far to late to stop it or even complain about it.

Yet, that is life - there is no guarantee mistakes can't be made, in the cases I have pointed out... they weren't mistakes... they were plans.

The word "safe" really doesn't exist or is relative in nature. You are asking for guarantees, and really the only guarantee someone can offer you is death, and maybe taxes.

If you want to establish a government that has no ability to defend without going through you, it probably wouldn't exist long.

(I am in no way saying that these people were drug runners, terrorists, or other [I have no idea]... but at the end of the day I really don't care too much unless someone shows me something somewhat credible in nature -> I remain open to the idea if you have something)

The other possibility is you can get your own Presidential candidate in there, my guess even with my disagreements with Trump's foreign policy is - it will be much worse.

 

[LouderVol]

You are looking for absolutes which is a mental problem. What happens if a meteorite comes down and hits you in the head? What happens if Trump launches nukes on Canada?



Yet, that is life - there is no guarantee mistakes can't be made, in the cases I have pointed out... they weren't mistakes... they were plans.

The word "safe" really doesn't exist or is relative in nature. You are asking for guarantees, and really the only guarantee someone can offer you is death, and maybe taxes.

If you want to establish a government that has no ability to defend without going through you, it probably wouldn't exist long.

so you are going with these were Marvel level super villians and blowing up the ship was the only way to save the US, got it.

it doesn't take absolutes. wait until the boat gets past Cuba and is still headed north, then its pretty dang clear its coming to the US. if you aren't sure about it before hand, you can always stop and search it.

I have never said to do nothing, I am saying that blowing a boat out of the water more than a thousand miles from our shore lines with no clear threat shouldn't be the first response.

we should be pushing back so it never gets to an absolute. again, whatever you allow the government to do will end up in the hands of your enemy. if you aren't comfortable with Hillary, Obama, Trump or any other politician having that power you shouldn't excuse "your side" doing it.