Trump Orders U.S. Military Action Against Terrorist Drug Cartels

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www.cbsnews.com

Venezuela deploys warships, drones after U.S. sends guided-missile destroyers to region

The move comes amid escalating tensions with Washington, which sent three warships and 4,000 Marines towards Venezuela last week.
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www.newsweek.com

Venezuela deploys warships as US destroyers approach

Caracas has escalated military deployments along its coast and border following U.S. naval movements.
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Honestly going to have to go to global firepower just to see what my tax dollars are up against.


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I don't think Trump is going to allow Maduro to act as a President of any country since he's a known drug trafficker.
 
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Was blowing up that "narco terrorist" boat really necessary?

Was it even legal?

The legality of the U.S. military strike on September 2, 2025, against a vessel allegedly operated by Tren de Aragua in international waters remains highly contested and lacks a clear consensus among legal experts, with significant debate centering on international law principles such as the use of force, proportionality, and jurisdiction on the high seas.

### U.S. Government Justification
The Trump administration framed the action as a legitimate counter-terrorism operation. Key points include:
- Tren de Aragua was designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) and Specially Designated Global Terrorist (SDGT) by the U.S. State Department in February 2025, following an executive order issued on January 20, 2025, that expanded such designations to various cartels. This classification allows the U.S. to target the group under domestic counter-terrorism authorities, potentially including the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), though the AUMF's applicability to non-al-Qaeda-affiliated groups like drug cartels is stretched and has been criticized in past contexts.
- Secretary of State Marco Rubio described the strike as "an act of war against a designated narco-terrorist organization," deferring specific legal questions to the White House counsel. President Trump stated the vessel was transporting illegal narcotics toward the U.S., positioning the strike as preventive action against drug trafficking and terrorism.
- A senior U.S. defense official echoed this, noting the vessel was operated by a "designated narco-terrorist organization." Supporters of the strike argue that, under the 1988 United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, states can take cooperative measures to suppress drug trafficking at sea, and the terrorist designation provides additional latitude for kinetic action.

### Criticisms and Legal Concerns
Critics, including international law experts and human rights organizations, argue the strike likely violated international law, particularly since it involved lethal force without an imminent threat or due process. Notable points include:
- The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) governs activities in international waters, allowing boarding and inspection of vessels suspected of certain crimes (e.g., piracy or statelessness), but drug trafficking requires flag-state consent for intervention. Sinking a vessel with a missile strike exceeds standard interdiction protocols, which typically involve warnings, disabling shots, or arrests rather than destruction.
- Adam Isacson, a defense and security expert at the Washington Office on Latin America, called the use of lethal force against a civilian vessel a potential "war crime" if not in self-defense, emphasizing that suspicion of drug smuggling does not justify a "death sentence" and that alternatives like warning shots should have been used.
- Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, a lawyer with the American Immigration Council, questioned the domestic legal basis, noting drug trafficking is not a capital offense and asking what U.S. law authorizes "premeditated assassination" of suspects, suggesting interception and arrest upon entering U.S. waters as a lawful alternative.
- Under Article 2(4) of the UN Charter, the use of force is prohibited except in cases of self-defense (Article 51) or with UN Security Council authorization. Transporting drugs does not constitute an "armed attack" qualifying for self-defense, and no UNSC approval was sought. Venezuela has protested U.S. military deployments in the region and called for UN intervention, though no specific response to this strike was immediately reported.
- A declassified U.S. intelligence report contradicts some justifications by stating Maduro's government likely does not cooperate with or direct Tren de Aragua, undermining claims of state-sponsored terrorism.

### Broader Context and Reactions
- The incident occurred amid escalated U.S.-Venezuela tensions, with U.S. warships deployed to the Caribbean in late August 2025 and prior designations of Venezuelan entities like the Cartel of the Suns as terrorist groups. Former U.S. Navy Admiral James Stavridis described it as "gunboat diplomacy" possibly aimed at pressuring Venezuela beyond drug interdiction.
- Venezuela denied the footage's authenticity and has not issued a direct response to the strike, but officials like President Maduro have accused the U.S. of seeking regime change.
- No international body has ruled on the matter as of September 3, 2025, but the lack of immediate evidence (e.g., recovered narcotics or vessel flag details) fuels skepticism. Conservative outlets and Trump supporters view it as a necessary hardline measure against cartels, while progressive and human rights groups see it as an unlawful escalation.

In summary, while the U.S. asserts the strike was legal under its terrorist designation and counter-narcotics frameworks, many experts substantiate claims that it breaches international law due to excessive force and lack of self-defense justification. Ultimate determination would require investigation by bodies like the International Court of Justice or UN, but no such process has begun.
 
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dalton_vol said:
Exactly, the Cold War on Drugs killed innocent the hot War on Drugs will kill the innocent, no War on Drugs will definitely kill the innocent, let's make it all legal. Prostitution, gambling in every city, drugs. That should save a lot of innocent people.
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This would be the new natural selection which we absolutely need. That and free and unlimited abortions. How hardened right wingers can't grasp the concept that the left is BEGGING you to implement their own eugenics program is beyond me.
 
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TNVOLNAVY said:
This is what a real “war on drugs” should look like!
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I didn't realize we had Obama on the board with us. good to have you around mr. president. when can we expect missile strikes on US soil or US citizens? You know we have to fight them wherever they are to have any chance of being effective.
 
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MontyPython said:
Was blowing up that "narco terrorist" boat really necessary?

Was it even legal?

The legality of the U.S. military strike on September 2, 2025, against a vessel allegedly operated by Tren de Aragua in international waters remains highly contested and lacks a clear consensus among legal experts, with significant debate centering on international law principles such as the use of force, proportionality, and jurisdiction on the high seas.

### U.S. Government Justification
The Trump administration framed the action as a legitimate counter-terrorism operation. Key points include:
- Tren de Aragua was designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) and Specially Designated Global Terrorist (SDGT) by the U.S. State Department in February 2025, following an executive order issued on January 20, 2025, that expanded such designations to various cartels. This classification allows the U.S. to target the group under domestic counter-terrorism authorities, potentially including the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), though the AUMF's applicability to non-al-Qaeda-affiliated groups like drug cartels is stretched and has been criticized in past contexts.
- Secretary of State Marco Rubio described the strike as "an act of war against a designated narco-terrorist organization," deferring specific legal questions to the White House counsel. President Trump stated the vessel was transporting illegal narcotics toward the U.S., positioning the strike as preventive action against drug trafficking and terrorism.
- A senior U.S. defense official echoed this, noting the vessel was operated by a "designated narco-terrorist organization." Supporters of the strike argue that, under the 1988 United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, states can take cooperative measures to suppress drug trafficking at sea, and the terrorist designation provides additional latitude for kinetic action.

### Criticisms and Legal Concerns
Critics, including international law experts and human rights organizations, argue the strike likely violated international law, particularly since it involved lethal force without an imminent threat or due process. Notable points include:
- The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) governs activities in international waters, allowing boarding and inspection of vessels suspected of certain crimes (e.g., piracy or statelessness), but drug trafficking requires flag-state consent for intervention. Sinking a vessel with a missile strike exceeds standard interdiction protocols, which typically involve warnings, disabling shots, or arrests rather than destruction.
- Adam Isacson, a defense and security expert at the Washington Office on Latin America, called the use of lethal force against a civilian vessel a potential "war crime" if not in self-defense, emphasizing that suspicion of drug smuggling does not justify a "death sentence" and that alternatives like warning shots should have been used.
- Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, a lawyer with the American Immigration Council, questioned the domestic legal basis, noting drug trafficking is not a capital offense and asking what U.S. law authorizes "premeditated assassination" of suspects, suggesting interception and arrest upon entering U.S. waters as a lawful alternative.
- Under Article 2(4) of the UN Charter, the use of force is prohibited except in cases of self-defense (Article 51) or with UN Security Council authorization. Transporting drugs does not constitute an "armed attack" qualifying for self-defense, and no UNSC approval was sought. Venezuela has protested U.S. military deployments in the region and called for UN intervention, though no specific response to this strike was immediately reported.
- A declassified U.S. intelligence report contradicts some justifications by stating Maduro's government likely does not cooperate with or direct Tren de Aragua, undermining claims of state-sponsored terrorism.

### Broader Context and Reactions
- The incident occurred amid escalated U.S.-Venezuela tensions, with U.S. warships deployed to the Caribbean in late August 2025 and prior designations of Venezuelan entities like the Cartel of the Suns as terrorist groups. Former U.S. Navy Admiral James Stavridis described it as "gunboat diplomacy" possibly aimed at pressuring Venezuela beyond drug interdiction.
- Venezuela denied the footage's authenticity and has not issued a direct response to the strike, but officials like President Maduro have accused the U.S. of seeking regime change.
- No international body has ruled on the matter as of September 3, 2025, but the lack of immediate evidence (e.g., recovered narcotics or vessel flag details) fuels skepticism. Conservative outlets and Trump supporters view it as a necessary hardline measure against cartels, while progressive and human rights groups see it as an unlawful escalation.

In summary, while the U.S. asserts the strike was legal under its terrorist designation and counter-narcotics frameworks, many experts substantiate claims that it breaches international law due to excessive force and lack of self-defense justification. Ultimate determination would require investigation by bodies like the International Court of Justice or UN, but no such process has begun.
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I want to know how they KNOW this boat was part of a cartel and the people on board were all cartel members?

did they have an informant? We know they didn't board and inspect it. Were any of those 11 people being smuggled/trafficked? have they placed some sort of tracking device on a person involved with the cartel, or some illegal cartel contraband that ended up on that boat?

because I agree that a preemptive death penalty for alleged drug smuggling is outrageous.
 
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