Trump has got LESS votes than Romney in 2012

Don't know if posted yet.....maybe ignorant people can understand a visual......

Is the argument that geography is more important that one person, one vote? It's original purpose was to stymie the tyranny of a majority that would otherwise allow a unqualified (yet popular) candidate win.

Well... We know that ain't happening.

Can someone explain why a percentage of the states votes shouldn't be allocated based on one person, one vote?
 
Is the argument that geography is more important that one person, one vote? It's original purpose was to stymie the tyranny of a majority that would otherwise allow a unqualified (yet popular) candidate win.

Well... We know that ain't happening.

Can someone explain why a percentage of the states votes shouldn't be allocated based on one person, one vote?
Because what's good for NYC isn't representative of the rest of the state. Yay the capital prevails and the other districts are forgotten.
 
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Is the argument that geography is more important that one person, one vote? It's original purpose was to stymie the tyranny of a majority that would otherwise allow a unqualified (yet popular) candidate win.

Well... We know that ain't happening.

Can someone explain why a percentage of the states votes shouldn't be allocated based on one person, one vote?
If it's one person, one vote, and no electoral college, and I'm a politician, I'm stopping in L.A., New York, Chicago, etc., and I'm promising them 2 chickens in every pot.

I'm going to put forth a program to take all tax money and spend it only in the big cities, and let the rest of the country rot.
 
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If it's one person, one vote, and no electoral college, and I'm a politician, I'm stopping in L.A., New York, Chicago, etc., and I'm promising them 2 chickens in every pot.

I'm going to put forth a program to take all tax money and spend it only in the big cities, and let the rest of the country rot.

Absolutely. I can almost hear the pandering now....

..."those rural hicks dont have the high cost of living you urbanites do. They don't subsidize museums, or culture. They arent any medical advancements coming out of the heartland. Thats why I, as president, will make sure they are forced to pay their fair share. While those in a 30 mile radius of a meaningful city, will receive the tax cuts they deserve"
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U don't need ships in today's warfare game. U don't even need subs. U need nuclear capability with ICBM technology. They would simply need to go nuclear and build a missile defense system and attack system to protect themselves. Then build everything else as their pace.

We are talking major what ifs here but the days of sending in boots on the ground is disappearing. Everything will be small fast AI driven machines moving forward.

Are own military plans to basically go terminator by 2030.

This just isn't true. Aircraft and aircraft carriers are vastly more important than ICBMs and the like. There has only been one war where nuclear technology has been used. Nukes are basically just a deterrent at this point.

Assuming you weren't wrong about this, though, the Japanese are even more screwed. The people here are HUGELY against anything nuclear (even nuclear power after the recent incident in Fukushima). There's no reason to assume they'd be able to go from their current state to a viable military power in anything less than decades.
 
Then the Japanese better be a little worried because they have a psychotic dog just a few minutes flight away who will soon have nukes if he doesn't already.

I agree with Trump on this one. It's time for them to pay for the services of the US Military.

Well go on agreeing with his words.

But that's something that isn't gonna happen. If it ever does, it will have to be slowly over the course of decades.

But it won't happen. It would be the equivalent of leaving no soldiers in Alaska in a game of Risk because you forgot it connected to Kamchatka.

Trump's cabinet and military advisors will let him know that.
 
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If it's one person, one vote, and no electoral college, and I'm a politician, I'm stopping in L.A., New York, Chicago, etc., and I'm promising them 2 chickens in every pot.

I'm going to put forth a program to take all tax money and spend it only in the big cities, and let the rest of the country rot.

I wouldn't be opposed to a system that let presidential candidates get the vote of every district they win (while letting the winner of the state as a whole get the senate votes).

Seems like it could be a way to balance things out a bit and shift the importance away from just a couple states.
 
If it's one person, one vote, and no electoral college, and I'm a politician, I'm stopping in L.A., New York, Chicago, etc., and I'm promising them 2 chickens in every pot.

I'm going to put forth a program to take all tax money and spend it only in the big cities, and let the rest of the country rot.

I understand the one person one vote aspect not being representative. I incorporated that with the proportional distribution of EC votes per state - that's what I need an explanation on. Winner take all in a state like Florida that damn near split the vote is hardly representative of the people's will.
 
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They can have a small defensive force. Basically a couple ships. That's it really. The amount they're able to spend is really limited.



I doubt it will matter though because once Trump gets higher intelligence briefings he'll realize that pulling our military from Japan isn't on the table lol

Please don't spread misinformation, japan currently spends more than 60,000,000,000 for it's military..that's just a little more than a couple of ships...
 

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These just aren't good points though because Japan would have to basically start from scratch. All they have is a couple ships with a little self defense capability. And they don't have the manufacturing power anymore to have a military worth half a $#!+ ready within the next decade. They don't make weapons. The police hardly ever even carry guns. When they do, they only get 2 bullets.
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Please don't spread misinformation, japan currently spends more than 60,000,000,000 for it's military..that's just a little more than a couple of ships...

The way I stated it was disengenuous, but that does look a lot nicer on wikipedia than their real situation.

Their yearly self defense budget is a lot closer to 40 billion than 60 billion.


Their constitution literally doesn't allow them to use those tanks, planes, etc AND limits their spending on the self defense force. So if they have an economic downturn, they're limited in military aspects also.


All of their aircraft are in land hangars. Their only aircraft carriers are for helicopters, not fighter jets, bombers, and the the like.



Still a moot point anyway because there is a 100% chance that the Trump administration continues with the status quo in Japan.

It's not like our bases in Japan are just there for Japan's protection. They're there because we have a vital strategic need for them. They just so happen to give Japan the benefit of being under our military wing and not having to spend much on defense (not that the constitution we helped them write would allow the opposite anyway).
 
Back to what I think was the original subject - sort of:

From 538.com

Early voting surged. Election Day voting plummeted. The net result: A smaller share of eligible voters cast ballots in 2016 than in either of the previous two presidential elections.

The raw number of votes rose: About 1.4 million more Americans voted in this year’s election than in 2012, a total which itself was down from 2008. But the electorate was growing in the meantime: About 57 percent of eligible voters cast ballots this year, down from 58.6 percent in 2012 and 61.6 percent in 2008, which was the highest mark in 40 years. Turnout still remained well above levels for most presidential election years from 1972 to 2000.

The drop in turnout was uneven. On average, turnout was unchanged in states that voted for Trump, while it fell by an average of 2.3 percentage points in states that voted for Clinton. Relatedly, turnout was higher in competitive states — most of which Trump won. In the 14 swing states — those where either the winning party in the presidential race switched from 2012 or where the margin was within 5 percentage points — an average of 65.3 percent of eligible voters cast ballots. In the other 36 states and Washington, D.C., turnout averaged just 56.3 percent. That gap exacerbates a tendency for turnout to be higher in the places where candidates concentrate their travel, advertising and other get-out-the-vote efforts.

The low turnout outside of swing states could have affected the national popular vote margin (though not the outcome in the Electoral College). Clinton trails Trump in total votes from swing states but leads him in the other states and overall. Clinton’s popular-vote lead probably would be roughly 40 percent higher if turnout in uncompetitive states caught up with turnout in the swing states — though there could be other factors that make turnout higher in the group of states that are most competitive in presidential races.

These numbers are preliminary estimates subject to change as our decentralized electoral system continues counting votes. There is no official national turnout figure, and the best available estimates — from Michael McDonald, associate professor at the University of Florida, who gathers data at the U.S. Elections Project; and from FiveThirtyEight contributor David Wasserman, who is gathering national vote counts — suggest that more than 4 million votes remain uncounted, more than half of them in California.

Voter Turnout Fell, Especially In States That Clinton Won | FiveThirtyEight
 
The electoral college exists so that New York and Californico don't dominate the politics of the entire country. At the time of it's inception, Virginia was that state. The smaller states would never agree to the union otherwise.

This is really basic stuff. It was pounded into my head from 4th grade all the way to my senior year of high school. Federalist Papers?

Christ. Libs want to burn up the Constitution when it suits them and bash us over the head with whatever's left of it when convenient.
 
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The electoral college exists so that New York and Californico don't dominate the politics of the entire country. At the time of it's inception, Virginia was that state. The smaller states would never agree to the union otherwise.

This is really basic stuff. It was pounded into my head from 4th grade all the way to my senior year of high school. Federalist Papers?

Christ. Libs want to burn up the Constitution when it suits them and bash us over the head with whatever's left of it when convenient.

The electoral college was formed before California existed.
 
LOL.

You really think I'm one of those coons who will thank you for slavery because of the propaganda surrounding Africa right now? You want me to say thank god I'm in America ehh? Well you're in for a rude awakening. I'm the wrong brotha to play this card with. I actually know my people's history. I'm proud to be African. I WISH MY ANCESTORS NEVER CAME TO THIS CONTINENT. And I dream to go back to Africa and live among my people.

Unfortunately white supremacy has destroyed Africa. Soon after Europeans stole millions of Africans from the motherland and sent them to the Americas as slaves. Colonialism, King Leopold (read up on what this monster did to the Congo), and Apartheid, ravaged the African continent soon after. White people took slaves from Africa then raped and pillaged the people left behind on the continent to the state it is today.

So no I ain't the brotha to say thank you for slavery if that's the coonish response you were looking for.

Well bye....
 
No offense but just because an Asian clapped for him doesn't mean he isn't racist lol (not saying that he is or isn't...though his rhetoric has a definite racial charge)

I live in Japan and most of the Japanese people I know are pretty worried that Trump is going to leave them defenseless since he said they should just defend themselves (despite the fact that, y'know, we made them write a constitution that prohibits them from having a military).

I'll just leave this here,

Japan does have an army, navy and air force. However,*Japan's armed*forces are constitutionally limited to self defense. The country's constitution bans it from having a traditional standing*army. But its so-called Self Defense Force is one of the world's most sophisticated*armed*bodies.
 
LOL.

You really think I'm one of those coons who will thank you for slavery because of the propaganda surrounding Africa right now? You want me to say thank god I'm in America ehh? Well you're in for a rude awakening. I'm the wrong brotha to play this card with. I actually know my people's history. I'm proud to be African. I WISH MY ANCESTORS NEVER CAME TO THIS CONTINENT. And I dream to go back to Africa and live among my people.

Unfortunately white supremacy has destroyed Africa. Soon after Europeans stole millions of Africans from the motherland and sent them to the Americas as slaves. Colonialism, King Leopold (read up on what this monster did to the Congo), and Apartheid, ravaged the African continent soon after. White people took slaves from Africa then raped and pillaged the people left behind on the continent to the state it is today.

So no I ain't the brotha to say thank you for slavery if that's the coonish response you were looking for.

I hope you go back to Africa. Know this though, after many conversations with many African immigrants, I can assure you that they HATE "brothas" like you. They hate your privileged complaints. They hate your empty threats and they hate everything you stand for. Good luck moving there, which I know you won't because your too chicken ****.
 
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They hate Clinton. She's a horrible candidate that is corrupt and was everything wrong with politics.

I only voted cause I saw Trump as even worse. 6.5 million other Obama voters disagreed and just stayed home.

I've said a million times if it was anyone else but Trump I woulda just stayed home. I just couldn't live with myself in allowing a guy who openly advocates for white supremacy to be elected so I held my nose and voted for Hillary.

You never have quoted anything Trump has said that has been white supremecist. You linked to an article that I dissected, and you never responded. You mentioned that known racists seemed to support him, whicch is not equal to Trump supporting the racists.

You are an echo chamber to yourself. Could you quote what Trump has said that is white supremecist?
 
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I don't tell you who to vote for so I don't know why you feel the need to tell black people who to vote for? Or what is in our best interest?

You say the Democrats think we're too stupid to do this or that yet you think you know what is in black people's best interest more than black people themselves? I don't tell you the Republicans are a corrupt corporatist party that works solely for big business and sells middle america a boat load of lies each election to get elected and then turns around and does nothing but what big business and the donors demand.

You know why I don't say that? Because the Democrats are doing the same thing.

Stop lying to yourself. Neither one of us votes our economic interests. If we did neither of us would support the Democrats or Republicans. We're both voting our racial interest. I'm voting Democrat because I'm black and I want to live in a country that is not openly hostile to non-white bodies. You are white and vote Republican because you feel threatened by the browning of America and want to return to when it was white dominated.

We're both voting for parties that are corrupt and neglect our economic interests. I'm at least being honest about why I support who I support while you're lying to yourself and everyone else.

Personally, I don't vote based on racial thought at all. Period. You're the racist, and you're projecting.
 
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