True Butch Jones Zone Read Offense -vs- A Good Defense That Prepared For Running A QB

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The offensive line will get a lot better with the abundance of practices between now and week 1 of next season.
 
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omghulkhands said:
I don't see them getting thrown around much. Most of the time they aren't even touching the defender TO get thrown around, they just whif
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It was like having five traffic cones set up and trying to run an offense behind it. If you can't block then nothing else matters.
 
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GAVol said:
There are a lot of differences. The point is that the offensive philosophy isn't the problem.
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I agree that the offensive philosophy isn't necessarily the problem, it's who is running it. The teams you mentioned were coached by Urban Meyer and Gus Malzhan.
 
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Tux said:
The guys we have now are probably going to be the same guys out there next season.
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Except, they will have an off season of strength train and conditioning. There is no greater skill jumps for a college player than between the freshmen and sophomore year.
 
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steino said:
I agree that the offensive philosophy isn't necessarily the problem, it's who is running it. The teams you mentioned were coached by Urban Meyer and Gus Malzhan.
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So, why'd Gus score 7 points against UGA last week?

The point is, spread, pro, flexbone, veer, I, Run and Shoot, Fun n Gun, etc all have worked with the right personnel.
 
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No, no, no, no, no.

This offensive line has been thrown together and are young. If they spend the next 2 years in this system it will look very similar to auburn. Auburn has no problem running this type offense. You know why?? Because they have a pretty good Oline that actually pushes guys back and not just let the dline walk right by. I think if anything the offense the past two weeks shows what we can do against decent teams. Mizzou is a good team with a great defense. We will get there but right now we need the oline to mature and get stronger and meaner, and it would help not to have 7+ dropped balls which most were one the money. /rant
 
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GAVol said:
So, why'd Gus score 7 points against UGA last week?

The point is, spread, pro, flexbone, veer, I, Run and Shoot, Fun n Gun, etc all have worked with the right personnel.
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It has not been used by the winning team in a national championship in several years.
 
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steino said:
I agree that the offensive philosophy isn't necessarily the problem, it's who is running it. The teams you mentioned were coached by Urban Meyer and Gus Malzhan.
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Indeed. And we all know that neither of those coaches ever lost games to teams that were more balanced.
Wait a second... I might just see a hole in your logic.
 
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Tux said:
It has not been used by the winning team in a national championship in several years.
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That's a ridiculous litmus test for whether an offense works especially considering that Auburn and Oregon have played in the BCSCG probably 3 or 4 times in the past 4 years and there will likely be at least two spread option teams in the playoff THIS year.
 
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GAVol said:
That's a ridiculous litmus test for whether an offense works especially considering that Auburn and Oregon have played in the BCSCG probably 3 or 4 times in the past 4 years and there will likely be at least two spread option teams in the playoff THIS year.
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I think that it speaks volumes that a spread team has not won a national championship since 2008. Since then teams running pro set offense, pro style offenses have won every National Championship since then. That speaks volumes.
 
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Do yall realize how freaking far we are from a national championship? Who cares if a spread team hasn't won a natty, we're trying to win more than 6 games and there is absolutely no problem with our scheme.

Our problem is an absolutely inept O line. regardless of scheme is a team can get great pressure every time while rushing 3 or 4, it's not going to be pretty.
 
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Tux said:
I think that it speaks volumes that a spread team has not won a national championship since 2008. Since then teams running pro set offense, pro style offenses have won every National Championship since then. That speaks volumes.
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Auburn won in 2010.
 
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Our line is broken and battered with several guys playing out of position.

Dobbs had a horrible game. He played tight, looked scared at times, and was a turnover machine.

That's not a scheme problem, it's a depth, experience, and maturity problem.
 
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WesternNCVol said:
Our line is broken and battered with several guys playing out of position.

Dobbs had a horrible game. He played tight, looked scared at times, and was a turnover machine.

That's not a scheme problem, it's a depth, experience, and maturity problem.
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CBJ went after Mauk, during the Cincinnati days, because he could throw the ball downfield. Mauk was not the size CBJ prefers but can throw the ball. Those downfield passes were momentum changers for us. Also, it's hard to gobble up yards when needed to ring up multiple scores.

Until someone teaches Dobbs to throw downfield or we put in a QB with that offensive threat, we will be chasing down the higher ranked teams.
 
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Missouri looked to be the /quickest/ team we've played all year. Their DL was way too quick off the ball for our slow-footed offensive linemen, and they were really quick all over the field--on offense and defense. You need to pound on a team like that--and we can't pound. You can't do much of anything when defenders are in your backfield consistently two seconds after the snap. We also need to start throwing the ball down the field some--if only to try and create so more room for our receivers. Our short passing game is OK but have to mix in some deep throws occasionally.
 
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Tux said:
Alabama has been winning NCs without using the zone read or the spread. Did that happen? FSU won the NC last season without the zone read.
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You've said it can't happen with the zone read. But it has happened. Just have to have the right personnel with experience.
 
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Tux said:
I think that it speaks volumes that a spread team has not won a national championship since 2008. Since then teams running pro set offense, pro style offenses have won every National Championship since then. That speaks volumes.
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Come on dude your posts are failing in this thread.
 
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tenninohio said:
CBJ went after Mauk, during the Cincinnati days, because he could throw the ball downfield. Mauk was not the size CBJ prefers but can throw the ball. Those downfield passes were momentum changers for us. Also, it's hard to gobble up yards when needed to ring up multiple scores.

Until someone teaches Dobbs to throw downfield or we put in a QB with f that offensive threat, we will be chasing down the higher ranked teams.
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Dobbs was the guy running for his life in our offensive backfield all night, not the guys further down field apparently experimenting with new ways to drop a football that hits you in the worst of places-- the hands.
 
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I am completely optimistic about the system and the personnel in place. Plus there is NO QUIT in these kids. OMG, how could anyone watch Dobbs diving for the pylon on the 2 pt conversion last night and not believe that he will lead this team in a big way the next 2 years! Not to mention Hurd fighting hard for extra yards and playing his ass off with zero blocking. It will come together. Just have faith.
 
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Burger said:
The offensive line will get a lot better with the abundance of practices between now and week 1 of next season.
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I believe too -- but this would actually make much more sense if all 12 opponents did not practice between now and week 1 of next season.

Did anyone just see the Giant's endzone TD catch from #13 (Bechham, Jr ?)? Play is under review, but might be one of best all-time !
 
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