Treyvon Paulk dismissed from program

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I can't find the KNS story that the Sports Animal folks were alluding to, but they also said Paulk and his ex girlfriend's relationship had been for 7 years.
 
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darkgable said:
I agree. I dont think this has anything to do with him breaking a rule so much as the spotlight on domestic violence so lets nip this In the bud so the spotlight isnt on us. The NFL's situation made Butch's job easy.
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Exactly, "violation of personal conduct policy" doesn't really have anything to do with the legal side if things. CBJ had to act and did the correct thing in this situation. If the incident really wasn't as bad as it sounds(doubtful), it will come out later. He can't afford to take any chances with the program's reputation on this one.
 
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UTProf said:
I think with Coach Jones, you have to understand he's the son of a long time Police Chief. He's seen and heard the worst about DV for much of his life and I'd bet money he not only knows where it ends and how it goes/progresses but also the very typical reaction of the abused (no one wants to get someone they love or still care about in trouble and battered women tend to feel it's all their fault because often that's what the abuser tells them). Because of that experience, I think Jones would've booted him just as quickly even without the NFL situation. When you've seen what happens to victims up close, things change.
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That's entirely possible. But in this situation any coach with sense would have acted as Butch did.
 
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Gunga Galunga said:
It doesn't increase our limit above 25, no. But if we only had room for 24 before...we can now sign 25.
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According to Callahan, no. Attrition, whether it be 1 player or 10 players, does not affect the number of players we can sign in 2015.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
That's entirely possible. But in this situation any coach with sense would have acted as Butch did.
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I'm not so sure. I mean, you would think they would but take the player at WVU - he recently choked out a girl/strangled her which is not only a more serious crime legally than simple DV/assault but an act that can easily kill someone yet he's still on the team. He's suspended but still on the team.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I'd rather drink a beer and play xbox then hit a woman..but only because I can turn the xbox off. :eek:lol:
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Basic English:

The difference between wanting to drink beer and play xbox rather, then hit a woman

and

wanting to drink beer and play xbox rather than hit a woman.
 
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KBVol said:
According to Callahan, no. Attrition, whether it be 1 player or 10 players, does not affect the number of players we can sign in 2015.
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I wish Callahan would provide links to how he comes up with his math. I found articles that outright contradict what he's been saying
 
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UTProf said:
I'm not so sure. I mean, you would think they would but take the player at WVU - he recently choked out a girl/strangled her which is not only a more serious crime legally than simple DV/assault but an act that can easily kill someone yet he's still on the team. He's suspended but still on the team.
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I had heard about that but didn't realize he was still on the team. That coach is out of his mind. It will be hard for the media to fault the Tennessee staff given their response. I'm surprised the media isn't all over WVU.
 
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JamesBenUT said:
I wish Callahan would provide links to how he comes up with his math. I found articles that outright contradict what he's been saying
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Basically attrition only effects the 85 roster limit. It has no impact on the 25 rule. You can't backcount a player who enrolled and left/dismissed towards the next year. Backcounts apply to different situations.

For the 85, it could have a small impact but has no bearing on the number we can sign. There are two separate number limits you have to deal with in recruiting: roster size and the 25 limit.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I had heard about that but didn't realize he was still on the team. That coach is out of his mind. It will be hard for the media to fault the Tennessee staff given their response. I'm surprised the media isn't all over WVU.
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Yeah it's strange that it's not been treated as a big deal because it really is a serious thing.

As for our situation, it doesn't get any better than an incident happening on Sat/Sun and a dismissal by Monday morning. That's a Coach who has no tolerance for this kind of thing.
 
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UTProf said:
Yeah it's strange that it's not been treated as a big deal because it really is a serious thing.

As for our situation, it doesn't get any better than an incident happening on Sat/Sun and a dismissal by Monday morning. That's a Coach who has no tolerance for this kind of thing.
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I guess all the uproar with NFL players engaged in this sort of this is drowning it out. They will get a hold of it eventually.

Butch's handing of this situation just gives me more respect for him as a leader. Especially considering how cut and dry this seems.
 
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UTProf said:
Basically attrition only effects the 85 roster limit. It has no impact on the 25 rule. You can't backcount a player who enrolled and left/dismissed towards the next year. Backcounts apply to different situations.

For the 85, it could have a small impact but has no bearing on the number we can sign. There are two separate number limits you have to deal with in recruiting: roster size and the 25 limit.
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I understand that, but attrition before August 2015 is necessary for us to stay under both the 25 and 85 parameters for our 2015 recruiting class. In my opinion, we will not be able to sign a 25 man class (24 if you count Swafford) unless we have 7 more players leave between now and then. KBVol and Callahan seem to say attrition is immaterial.

If 7 players (non seniors) don't leave and we sign a class of 24 + 1 for Swafford, my calculations put us at a scholarship roster of 92 (clearly a violation of the 85 rule)
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I guess all the uproar with NFL players engaged in this sort of this is drowning it out. They will get a hold of it eventually.

Butch's handing of this situation just gives me more respect for him as a leader. Especially considering how cut and dry this seems.
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Absolutely. The more that comes out on this the prouder I am of our Coach, our other football players and our Lady Vols. All of them did the right thing in a situation that isn't an easy one to be thrust into.
 
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vols 30 said:
Why do women stay with men that abuse them? I'll never understand that.
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Pretty damn easy. It's easy to be shackled mentally to a bad situation. Whether it's denial thinking the person will change or feeling imprisoned financially or fear of leaving them because of what they'll do to you. I've heard of a lot of women staying with an abuser because their family said they need to work it out because divorce isn't right by their religion. It's just so highly situational.

This is a really stupid analogy but a lot of people feel mentally trapped in their jobs. They're miserable but they can't imagine making ends meet without that job. It's not the same but when depend on someone for love, for finance, for support etc and they've beat you down physically, mentally till you believe you're worthless then what are you going to do. This is just what I've heard from women going through these kinds of situations; it's not just as easy as the women being stupid, etc like some think or suggest.
 
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UTProf said:
Basically attrition only effects the 85 roster limit. It has no impact on the 25 rule. You can't backcount a player who enrolled and left/dismissed towards the next year. Backcounts apply to different situations.

For the 85, it could have a small impact but has no bearing on the number we can sign. There are two separate number limits you have to deal with in recruiting: roster size and the 25 limit.
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They go hand in hand. In order to take full class of 25 you have to have room under the 85 limit. With Paulk's dismissal we currently have 19 spots avaliable. Having said that, the numbers always work themselves out.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Pretty damn easy. It's easy to be shackled mentally to a bad situation. Whether it's denial thinking the person will change or feeling imprisoned financially or fear of leaving them because of what they'll do to you. I've heard of a lot of women staying with an abuser because their family said they need to work it out because divorce isn't right by their religion. It's just so highly situational.

This is a really stupid analogy but a lot of people feel mentally trapped in their jobs. They're miserable but they can't imagine making ends meet without that job. It's not the same but when depend on someone for love, for finance, for support etc and they've beat you down physically, mentally till you believe you're worthless then what are you going to do. This is just what I've heard from women going through these kinds of situations; it's not just as easy as the women being stupid, etc like some think or suggest.
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Daddy Chad, I'd like to thank you for articulating this. A lot of people don't understand and bless them for it because most have never had reason to know and I wouldn't wish learning about it the hard way through friends, loved ones, acquaintances or those you professionally work with on ANYONE.

Even the police/those in the judicial system and counselors learn the hard way - it's gut wrenching to know a person isn't yet ready to finally break free and to see the damage first hand. And it's not just the physical abuse that obvious -- you see the breaking of a human spirit.

So many see it as cut and dry or think in terms of the physical violence because the physical violence is what makes the news and gets the cops involved. However, very often it starts out slowly with subtle emotional manipulation and controlling behaviors that don't seem so bad at first until they pile up. Women are slowly isolated and taught that they deserve it -- rarely does it happen as violence first (it's too easy to pull the plug then but in those instances where that's how it starts women are more likely to hit the door).

Like any bully or predator, abusers are also very good at selecting victims. They have a very good sense of who is vulnerable - better than the rest of us have. Hell, they're drawn to them like they have sixth sense. And even when they don't select someone vulnerable they slowly begin a process that breaks you down (that's the aspect that people underestimate when it comes to male victims) - I suppose they slowly groom victims the same way a pedo would. Abusers weaponize love and turn it into something twisted and harmful to the point victims start believing he (or she) abuses me because they care.

And no, your analogy isn't stupid. It puts things in a way those who don't understand might be able to understand at least at some level.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
They go hand in hand. In order to take full class of 25 you have to have room under the 85 limit. With Paulk's dismissal we currently have 19 spots avaliable. Having said that, the numbers always work themselves out.
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Always does.. Look for a few more to roll out after the season...
 
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JamesBenUT said:
Here's the article the Sports Animal Crew must've been referring to:

Paulk
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So sad. It really speaks to how scared and guilty she felt. He busted her lip and she was worried for his scholarship. DGB's girlfriend was the same way - begging her friend not to press charges.

I'm glad Andraya Carter was there to be a true friend to her and urge her to find the strength to talk. Hopefully, as time passes Carter and others who care about her will be able to aid her in her recovery.
 
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