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Can you present concrete evidence that Pat was not very good with X's and O's? Keep in mind, she won EIGHT national championships. You'll have to be able to explain the dichotomy.
Yes just look at her coaching tree her former players who became coaches. Name one that’s proven to be good at it. Well we are waiting!
 

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Yes just look at her coaching tree her former players who became coaches. Name one that’s proven to be good at it. Well we are waiting!
A couple things to be unpacked here. 1. Why is Pat’s coaching being impacted by the coaching abilities of her players? Isn’t it up to them to be able to advance their coaching abilities by growing their skills AFTER they have left? 2. If her coaching ability was so lacking would she have as many players with all the accolades they received? 3. What is considered a successful coach from her coaching tree ? 4. Would we not even look at those who coached high school young ladies or even those who coaches for USA bball ?
 

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So far none of Pats players who are currently coaching or were coaching have proven they are very good at X’s and O’s either maybe that will change. Pat was a great motivator and recruiter and had that IT factor you know that trait that had her players willing to run thru a brick wall for her. It’s amazing how being a realist makes you a troll. “Some can’t handle the truth”
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So far none of Pats players who are currently coaching or were coaching have proven they are very good at X’s and O’s either maybe that will change.
Ah, so former player performance is indicative in some way of a coach's X's and O's acumen, eh? Well then by all means, please, enlighten us as to which of UConn's former players turned coaches have proven they are very good at X's and O's. Kellie Harper has won about 67% of her games at Tennessee, and that's with Pat Summitt's terrible X's and O's training! Goodness! That's almost seventy percent there! If she can do that with Pat's awful offensive teaching, surely UConn's former players with their all-world super-special X's and O's training are worlds better. :)
 

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Yes just look at her coaching tree her former players who became coaches. Name one that’s proven to be good at it. Well we are waiting!
Your claim was that PAT was not good at X's and O's. Can you present clear and convincing evidence that PAT was not good at X's and O's? WE'RE WAITING?
 

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But they won the Tournament outright…..

And years prior? When Miss St went undefeated but loss to SC in the SEC tournament championship? Or the fact that she’s won 6 or the last 7 championships? Or dating back to her earlier years when UT, KY, A&M had much more talented teams but Dawn still got the job done and won with 4 stars and 3 stars on the roster? Lol no matter how much you or anyone else try to demean her success the stats and facts says otherwise, so continue to be a frontline hater 😘
Great! As I said, Dawn has recruited a lot of great players, and since right around the time Pat left the bench no one in the SEC (and maybe the country aside from UConn) has recruited better. That recruiting included a generational talent and current Olympian that Staley rode to her only National Championship.

Like I said before, be thankful you have a coach that can recruit at an elite level...
 

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Your claim was that PAT was not good at X's and O's. Can you present clear and convincing evidence that PAT was not good at X's and O's? WE'RE WAITING?
In Women's basketball if a coach doesn't run a Princeton, a motion, or structured offense and was perceived to have relied more on the athleticism ,(out run, out jump, out muscled) of their players, they aren't considered to be good at X's and O's. Geno, Muffet, Tara, Gail G, Walz are considered to be good at X's and O's. Pat, Kim Mulkey, Hatchell and Dawn are considered to be the latter.
 
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Back to the portal..... As far as how Kellie will use the portal, I can't see Kellie using the portal to recruit over existing players like other coaches are doing. I think she will use it to fill gaps and to cover injuries and to maybe get a game changing athlete but she is not going to axe one of her players just to use it. Kellie is all about family. She is the type coach you want your daughter to play for. Hopefully that type atmosphere will keep our players at home and entice players to come here.
 

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Ah, so former player performance is indicative in some way of a coach's X's and O's acumen, eh? Well then by all means, please, enlighten us as to which of UConn's former players turned coaches have proven they are very good at X's and O's. Kellie Harper has won about 67% of her games at Tennessee, and that's with Pat Summitt's terrible X's and O's training! Goodness! That's almost seventy percent there! If she can do that with Pat's awful offensive teaching, surely UConn's former players with their all-world super-special X's and O's training are worlds better. :)
To be honest I have no clue if any ex UCONN players are currently coaching or have ever coached.
 

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Saying Pat was lacking in the X’s and O’s department isn’t exactly a controversial statement. I mean she wasn’t exactly Vivian Stringer by any means and I don’t think she was a bad offensive coach, but Tennessee was always a defense and rebounding-minded program. And on offense we always relied more on athletic players who could create on their own vs shooters, mostly due to our inability to get them open in our offense. Even in her book when talking about playing UConn she admitted Tennessee was more of a one-on-one, slashing and driving team vs UConn, who relied moreso on passing, running sets and shooting.
 

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So far none of Pats players who are currently coaching or were coaching have proven they are very good at X’s and O’s either maybe that will change. Pat was a great motivator and recruiter and had that IT factor you know that trait that had her players willing to run thru a brick wall for her. It’s amazing how being a realist makes you a troll. “Some can’t handle the truth”
Being a realist doesn’t make you a troll. Going out of your way to trash everything about the program including former players is what makes you a troll.
 

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In Women's basketball if a coach doesn't run a Princeton, a motion, or structured offense and was perceived to have relied more on the athleticism ,(out run, out jump, out muscled) of their players, they aren't considered to be good at X's and O's. Geno, Muffet, Tara, Gail G, Walz are considered to be good at X's and O's. Pat, Kim Mulkey, Hatchell and Dawn are considered to be the latter.
You need to do your research. Coach Summitt often used, for example, a 5 out offense. She was passionate about the importance of good spacing and good player movement. Kellie is, too. It puts pressure on the defense to guard something different.

The other piece is execution. Each player has to have an aggressive scoring mentality: both one v one or coming off the down screen looking to make something happen. The second is learning to read the defense coming off the down screen. Like Pat, Kellie coaches this as well. It’s up to the players to do their part to make it work.

No, Pat was an excellent x and o coach. Why do you think NCAA men’s basketball coaches often consulted her on running an offense?
 

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Saying Pat was lacking in the X’s and O’s department isn’t exactly a controversial statement. I mean she wasn’t exactly Vivian Stringer by any means and I don’t think she was a bad offensive coach, but Tennessee was always a defense and rebounding-minded program. And on offense we always relied more on athletic players who could create on their own vs shooters, mostly due to our inability to get them open in our offense. Even in her book when talking about playing UConn she admitted Tennessee was more of a one-on-one, slashing and driving team vs UConn, who relied moreso on passing, running sets and shooting.
84% win rate over 38 years
32 Conference Championships (regular + tourney)
31 continuous NCAA tourney appearances
18 Final Fours
5 runner ups
8 Nationaal Championships

No coach with a record like that (how many of them are there?) is "lacking" in any important coaching skill, especially including an understanding of the x's and o's, tactics or strategies of the game.
 

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84% win rate over 38 years
32 Conference Championships (regular + tourney)
31 continuous NCAA tourney appearances
18 Final Fours
5 runner ups
8 Nationaal Championships

No coach with a record like that (how many of them are there?) is "lacking" in any important coaching skill, especially including an understanding of the x's and o's, tactics or strategies of the game.
Pat recruited mostly players who were athletic and could create their own shot for perimeter players, and shoot over defenders or get offensive put-backs as posts. Over the years we scored many points off offensive put-backs and in transition off our defense. Our half court offense has always been more reliant on players going one-on-one than anything else, and we have never used screens that well.

I don’t know why any of this is controversial to say. We have never been a great half court offensive team. Pat’s philosophy was literally defense and rebounding; she even made a saying about it. 😂 She herself as a player wasnt a great offensive player. UT never even ran that many set plays. And our teams were flat out ugly on offense during the Parker years. The strategy in a half court offense was give it to Candace and if she was off her game or in foul trouble, we were in for an ugly night on offense. Even during the Meeks years, our success was dependent on the athletic ability (which was very substantial) on defense, which lead to a ton of transition points, and on offense. Holdsclaw was always unguardable one-on-one and Catchings wasn’t far behind her. Didn’t hurt to have a PG with a high bball IQ in Jolly. Even with all those assists from Jolly, very few came off of set plays.
 

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Pat recruited mostly players who were athletic and could create their own shot for perimeter players, and shoot over defenders or get offensive put-backs as posts. Over the years we scored many points off offensive put-backs and in transition off our defense. Our half court offense has always been more reliant on players going one-on-one than anything else, and we have never used screens that well.

I don’t know why any of this is controversial to say. We have never been a great half court offensive team. Pat’s philosophy was literally defense and rebounding; she even made a saying about it. 😂 She herself as a player wasnt a great offensive player. UT never even ran that many set plays. And our teams were flat out ugly on offense during the Parker years. The strategy in a half court offense was give it to Candace and if she was off her game or in foul trouble, we were in for an ugly night on offense. Even during the Meeks years, our success was dependent on the athletic ability (which was very substantial) on defense, which lead to a ton of transition points, and on offense. Holdsclaw was always unguardable one-on-one and Catchings wasn’t far behind her. Didn’t hurt to have a PG with a high bball IQ in Jolly. Even with all those assists from Jolly, very few came off of set plays.
I don't know why you think your observations trump the bottom line of her impeccable record, But I'm going to give up trying to dissuade you.
 
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You need to do your research. Coach Summitt often used, for example, a 5 out offense. She was passionate about the importance of good spacing and good player movement. Kellie is, too. It puts pressure on the defense to guard something different.

The other piece is execution. Each player has to have an aggressive scoring mentality: both one v one or coming off the down screen looking to make something happen. The second is learning to read the defense coming off the down screen. Like Pat, Kellie coaches this as well. It’s up to the players to do their part to make it work.

No, Pat was an excellent x and o coach. Why do you think NCAA men’s basketball coaches often consulted her on running an offense?
Didn't Pat go to former Villanova WBB coach Harry Paretta about running a motion offense?
 

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