Trade Wars and Tariffs

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Vol737 said:
Someone explain this to me like I’m five…wait, no…make it three years old. If deal after deal has been reached, then why the need to torch those deals by doubling back to place new and even higher tariffs on those trading partners you’ve supposedly reached a deal with?? Markets want clarity and this whipsawing back and forth isn’t providing a speck of it. Pick. A. Lane. The lack of discipline and pragmatism in his approach is not helping. There’s was a fantastic opportunity standing in front of him in January and he simply won’t take advantage of it. He’s wasting it on this nonsense.
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Wait… you aren’t actually expecting a coherent reply are you?
 
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Am I missing something? The interwebs tells me that the market has moved 1.5% or more on 170 trading days in the last 3 years, or roughly 1 out of every 5 trading days.
The website I just checked said the NYSE is down 1.25% today, and still up for the week. Is that a catastrophe? Are my numbers wrong?

I'm not a fan of tariffs, and I'd rather the market go up than down, but some of these responses to the market today seem a little dramatic. What am I missing?
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Am I missing something? The interwebs tells me that the market has moved 1.5% or more on 170 trading days in the last 3 years, or roughly 1 out of every 5 trading days.
The website I just checked said the NYSE is down 1.25% today, and still up for the week. Is that a catastrophe? Are my numbers wrong?

I'm not a fan of tariffs, and I'd rather the market go up than down, but some of these responses to the market today seem a little dramatic. What am I missing?
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You’re missing that this is a self inflicted unforced error with regards to trade policy by the Trump admin that’s what. First in the first week of April. Now again first week of August. You’re welcome.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Absolute blood bath in the market today. But clearly there is no correlation to the market drop and the newest round of idiotic tariffs coupled with a weak July jobs report and major downward revisions for May and June on top of it.
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Rolling put options down for credit. Dividend yields will be higher if they are assigned. Winning
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Am I missing something? The interwebs tells me that the market has moved 1.5% or more on 170 trading days in the last 3 years, or roughly 1 out of every 5 trading days.
The website I just checked said the NYSE is down 1.25% today, and still up for the week. Is that a catastrophe? Are my numbers wrong?

I'm not a fan of tariffs, and I'd rather the market go up than down, but some of these responses to the market today seem a little dramatic. What am I missing?
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It's a change due to internal factors rather than external factors. Still shouldn't incite a dramatic response
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
You’re missing that this is a self inflicted unforced error with regards to trade policy by the Trump admin that’s what. First in the first week of April. Now again first week of August. You’re welcome.
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No I am not missing that. If I thought tariffs were the way to improve the stock market, I'd be wanting 50% tariffs. I don't believe that. I do believe it is a self-inflicted wound. I just don't see the drop off as seismic as some have portrayed. I also admit that I don't know how it plays out long term. Maybe, just maybe, there are secondary effects that are advantageous to my pocketbook. A market drop is not, but 1 1/4% isn't going to send me reeling.

I agree with @BernardKingGOAT's take.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
No I am not missing that. If I thought tariffs were the way to improve the stock market, I'd be wanting 50% tariffs. I don't believe that. I do believe it is a self-inflicted wound. I just don't see the drop off as seismic as some have portrayed. I also admit that I don't know how it plays out long term. Maybe, just maybe, there are secondary effects that are advantageous to my pocketbook. A market drop is not, but 1 1/4% isn't going to send me reeling.

I agree with @BernardKingGOAT's take.
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It isn’t seismic. Like I said it’s just unnecessary and completely unforced. Jobs data is sounding all kinds of alarms if Trump keeps up this stupidity …well he’ll probably get the rate cuts he wants out of Powell!
 
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Ritzwatch said:
No I am not missing that. If I thought tariffs were the way to improve the stock market, I'd be wanting 50% tariffs. I don't believe that. I do believe it is a self-inflicted wound. I just don't see the drop off as seismic as some have portrayed. I also admit that I don't know how it plays out long term. Maybe, just maybe, there are secondary effects that are advantageous to my pocketbook. A market drop is not, but 1 1/4% isn't going to send me reeling.

I agree with @BernardKingGOAT's take.
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In response, I should add you want the stock market to react to external forces rather than the internal forces that have been affecting it for the past 4 month
 
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Ritzwatch said:
No I am not missing that. If I thought tariffs were the way to improve the stock market, I'd be wanting 50% tariffs. I don't believe that. I do believe it is a self-inflicted wound. I just don't see the drop off as seismic as some have portrayed. I also admit that I don't know how it plays out long term. Maybe, just maybe, there are secondary effects that are advantageous to my pocketbook. A market drop is not, but 1 1/4% isn't going to send me reeling.

I agree with @BernardKingGOAT's take.
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Every organic entity... People, plants, stock markets, companies... MUST have a consolidation period where the growth has a chance to strengthen. NOTHING can grow rapidly for a long period of time and not weaken structurally in the long run. A quiet period in the market... even a downtown is healthy.

Whether or not you like Jim Cramer or not, there is one thing he is absolutely right about. "Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered".
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Yes, you are winning because you're an active player but it's because of the internal chaos being created by this 🍿 show administration. You know what you're doing. They don't
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I would be more than happy to share that knowledge with anyone interested. However, what I do isn't for the faint of heart, and I do lose sometime. But I firmly believe that the vast majority of options players make it waaaay too complicated.

And you do have to be somewhat active, that's true.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I would be more than happy to share that knowledge with anyone interested. However, what I do isn't for the faint of heart, and I do lose sometime. But I firmly believe that the vast majority of options players make it waaaay too complicated.

And you do have to be somewhat active, that's true.
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It's not really all that complicated if you take an interest to learn the nuances of effective short term AND/OR long term trading, which is what I have mostly done over the last 25-30 years
 
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jmacvols1 said:
look how inflation is going thru the roof just like all the tarriff experts on VN said it would...

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Hang on. So it finally dawned on me what you lapdogs did with this “truflation”. The ACTUAL CPI for July was 2.9 and core was 3.2. So you rubes didn’t like it and went and made up your own favorable inflation gauge!!!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 🤣🤡
 
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