Trade Wars and Tariffs

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Sea Ray said:
American car makers should not count on our gov't propping them up with protectionist tariffs. Why can't they compete with Japan on a level playing field?
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But at the moment, they can count on the government making it more expensive for them to source parts and materials to build cars in the United States.
 
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BeardedVol said:
You struggling this morning?
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So the absolute cheapest components of a car? And Wrong.

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Many types of automotive fasteners are made in the USA, including hex bolts, structural bolts, tap bolts, and specialized fasteners like those for aerospace applications. Major manufacturers include National Bolt & Nut Corporation, Portland Bolt & Manufacturing Company, and Midwest Fastener Corporation (Unbrako), among others.
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Several companies manufacture automotive carpets in the USA. Notably, Auto Custom Carpets (ACC) is a major player, with products made in the USA and a wide dealer network. Other companies include Keyston Bros., which supplies materials to the automotive industry, Stock Interiors, and Newark Auto, which focuses on classic car restoration. Additionally, Gates Formed-Fibre Products produces molded textile automotive trim and non-woven fabrics.
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You could also include Karastan, Mohawk, Dream Weaver who all have manufacturing plants in the US.
 
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Good news. Trade deals are more than just a % for each country.

From the article:

Australia will lift restrictions on the import of beef from the US, a trade barrier which had angered the Trump administration.

American beef has effectively been banned from the country - which has some of the strictest biosecurity laws in the world - since 2003 after an outbreak of mad cow disease.

www.bbc.com

Australia to lift import ban on US beef after Trump tariffs tiff

The Australian government says it has not compromised on its strict biosecurity laws.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
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CobbVol said:
Good news. Trade deals are more than just a % for each country.

From the article:

Australia will lift restrictions on the import of beef from the US, a trade barrier which had angered the Trump administration.

American beef has effectively been banned from the country - which has some of the strictest biosecurity laws in the world - since 2003 after an outbreak of mad cow disease.

www.bbc.com

Australia to lift import ban on US beef after Trump tariffs tiff

The Australian government says it has not compromised on its strict biosecurity laws.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
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Lol! Another non victory victory.

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hog88 said:
Yes, the ban was officially lifted but not 1 import permit was ever granted.
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And the picture I posted said why. And the US had already taken corrective action to remedy the issue. So once again Trump claims a trade victory he doesn’t own.

But don’t get me wrong that’s a good thing. However Trump rationalizes he’s won is great as he can then crawfish back his idiot tariffs.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
And the picture I posted said why. And the US had already taken corrective action to remedy the issue. So once again Trump claims a trade victory he doesn’t own.

But don’t get me wrong that’s a good thing. However Trump rationalizes he’s won is great as he can then crawfish back his idiot tariffs.
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Nothing has changed since 2019. Don't fall for the hype.
 
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hog88 said:
Nothing has changed since 2019. Don't fall for the hype.
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Got a link showing the US didn’t implement improved supply chain discrimination of beef sourced from Mexico and Canada as the article claims? I’m not questioning your statement that no permits were issued. But the article stated why that was the case.
 
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CobbVol said:
Frame up this positive however you want. Past administrations could have addressed tracing protocols for the past 2 decades but they did not. The bottom line is the US Beef producers can now compete in a market where they were not allowed before.
More than %'s.
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Apparently the .% was unneeded since the corrective action was already in place before Trump just took credit for it?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Got a link showing the US didn’t implement improved supply chain discrimination of beef sourced from Mexico and Canada as the article claims? I’m not questioning your statement that no permits were issued. But the article stated why that was the case.
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We started a cattle tracing system in 2013 using visual tags the new rule changes those tags to RIFD. That's pretty much the only "improvement" made.

https://www.ncba.org/Media/NCBAorg/Docs/v4-faqs-for-producers_final.pdf
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Hang in there you got this đź‘Ť
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I'll concede on tarriffs as I think we are thinking the same way just viewing the impact different...tarriffs will for sure raise cost...my argument is that it will be a small amount that most will accept as opposed to the attack on energy which caused prices to rocket over night significantly...either way we pay eventually
 
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hog88 said:
So the absolute cheapest components of a car? And Wrong.





You could also include Karastan, Mohawk, Dream Weaver who all have manufacturing plants in the US.
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Lol it states in the paragraph right above the big red arrow that I put in for you that 75-80% of the parts are US sourced, that leaves 20-25% that are not.

If you suddenly have to pay 25% or more for 1/5 to 1/4 of the components required to build you car, it isn't going to matter if it's the cheapest components or not, you're still going to pay 25% more for the components that you cannot source in the US.

You're twisting yourself into knots to try to deny reality.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol it states in the paragraph right above the big red arrow that I put in for you that 75-80% of the parts are US sourced, that leaves 20-25% that are not.

If you suddenly have to pay 25% or more for 1/5 to 1/4 of the components required to build you car, it isn't going to matter if it's the cheapest components or not, you're still going to pay 25% more for the components that you cannot source in the US.

You're twisting yourself into knots to try to deny reality.
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Your snippet specifically states that "fasteners, washers and carpets" can't be sourced domestically, that is not true. In any case we're talking pennies for those items, not hundreds and damn sure not thousands of dollars per unit produced.
 
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hog88 said:
Your snippet specifically states that "fasteners, washers and carpets" can't be sourced domestically, that is not true. In any case we're talking pennies for those items, not hundreds and damn sure not thousands of dollars per unit produced.
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Lol, it also doesn't say that those are specifically the only items, hence the quantification in the paragraph above.

If you want to get into the actual details, it's even worse for US car companies on a component valuation level.

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hog88 said:
That does NOT say that the parts in question cannot be sourced domestically like your original snippet did.
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It doesn't specify that those are the only parts that can or can't be sourced in the US.

You're trying really hard to not understand global supply chains in order to justify your stance on Trump's tariffs.
 
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MurphyVol said:
So who is on first? What's on second? That was an incoherent message
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Not really.

“The Philippines will pay a 19% tariff”

ETA: Murphy were you commenting on me not being clear (which is what I responded to from my inference of your post) or Trump’s usual tweet psychobabble was incoherent? If the former I clarified, if the later I agree. Lotsa words with no real substance. Which has been the norm for these deal announcements
 
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