Trade Wars and Tariffs

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NorthDallas40 said:
This is exactly how it’s going to go down and when posters trot out that idiocy here it needs to be called out and relentlessly mocked. It’s “winning” the wrong conflict or at least not the conflict which was labeled as the core issue.
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Trump is not going to tell everyone his core issue.
 
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Vol423 said:
If that were to happen, would you support that result?
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I’d be agnostic as it has zero impact on me. Look this whole process is idiotic you should probably fish for Trump support on this fiasco somewhere else. I am solidly in the ends do NOT justify the means in this fiasco.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
All good. I'm good with blunt posts, and am free to apologize when they cause misunderstandings. (Not that I think any are needed here, btw.) I'm quite sure you've been the target of a few of my apologies aamof, lol.

I think Trump looks like a buffoon. I also think, due to his art of the deal mantras, that he's perfectly willing to be thought a buffoon/crazy/unsettled/untrustworthy/chaotic/etc if it helps get the deal done. I also think he may actually be buffoon-ish at many times.

Those can all be true.

At the end of the day, I am convinced that Trump sees the ends as justifying the means. I'm not sure I'll ever be in a position to know if he was a buffoon or playing 5D chess. lol

I can just hope that it all works out well for us in the end. And even when I can't trust that or Trump, my ultimate trust is in God, who loves me so much that He proved the gospel for my benefit. Beyond that, everything else looks a lot less dangerous.

Thx, and peace.
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Trump is absolutely an ends justified the means kinda guy. Unless he doesn’t get the ends he wants then it’s obviously got to be victimization not the result of his (idiotic in this case) actions.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Depends on how they are written. VATs tend to be targeted more at foreign products. They just don't name them, they list attributes of these products that may not exist in local products.
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At least when it comes to the EU, VAT is required to be the same for non-Union importers that it is for Union members. The rules are basically written to dissuade members from seeking outside products to avoid contributing to the EU VAT scheme.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
“At the end of the day, support will come from results“

That is your first sentence. That absolutely looks like the end justifies the means to me. We can agree to disagree on that if you’d like.

Yes everyone will form their view by their own net impact. That’s usually the case for any government action. I’ve always said people vote with their checkbook impact.
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Is there anything illegal or unethical or out of Trump purview that is happening?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
I’d be agnostic as it has zero impact on me. Look this whole process is idiotic you should probably fish for Trump support on this fiasco somewhere else. I am solidly in the ends do NOT justify the means in this fiasco.
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Look, I don't see any chance whatsoever of other countries exempting US products from their VAT while they still impose the VAT on their own domestic production. However, if they did, that would be HUGELY positive for US exporters. I wanted to see if you would support that outcome (if it happened) because you seem to be so upset with the process that you don't care if the results are hugely positive for our country. Your response seems to confirm that thought.

I don't care about Trump. I care about positive results for the country.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Is there anything illegal or unethical or out of Trump purview that is happening?
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Illegal? Not that I know it? Unethical? Maybe not sure how ethics really apply here. Absolutely moronic, unnecessarily ham fisted, blatantly incompetent and lacking any basic knowledge of economics? Yep that fits to a T.

Look I’ll go ahead and save you the time. There is no scenario where I can be convinced this is 5D chess. If it somehow winds up a net positive as far as I’m concerned it will be a blind squirrel finding a nut.
 
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Vol423 said:
Look, I don't see any chance whatsoever of other countries exempting US products from their VAT while they still impose the VAT on their own domestic production. However, if they did, that would be HUGELY positive for US exporters. I wanted to see if you would support that outcome (if it happened) because you seem to be so upset with the process that you don't care if the results are hugely positive for our country. Your response seems to confirm that thought.

I don't care about Trump. I care about positive results for the country.
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I’m not upset I’m stunned. I’m stunned that a US president could make such an idiotic unforced error. That’s it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Illegal? Not that I know it? Unethical? Maybe not sure how ethics really apply here. Absolutely moronic, unnecessarily ham fisted, blatantly incompetent and lacking any basic knowledge of economics? Yep that fits to a T.

Look I’ll go ahead and save you the time. There is no scenario where I can be convinced this is 5D chess. If it somehow winds up a net positive as far as I’m concerned it will be a blind squirrel finding a nut.
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So, you won't enjoy and celebrate having the nut because it was just lucky?

It seems to me that you have swiftly moved decidedly anti-Trump. True or false?
 
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bamawriter said:
I have serious questions as to the state of emergency that he declared in order to bypass Congress. That's constitutionally dubious.
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Valid point I didn’t consider that. That might pass the ethics bar but since this is a political process and the GOP owns both chambers I’d guess it will never pass the legal bar.

Honestly I find it difficult to not chuckle though when thinking ethics and political processes in play 😂
 
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Vol423 said:
So, you won't enjoy and celebrate having the nut because it was just lucky?
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Oh I’d acknowledge the net positive while at the same time pointing out just how stupid the method was that got us there.

Look as I posted earlier today once I digested the USTR article on how they are going about this I was done. It’s absolutely moronic and does nothing to address tariffs. I know you said you think the math is idiotic also.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Nations/governments do impose them.

He's been very plain that foreign tariffs affect how much we export to other countries (i.e. how much their people buy of our products due to price hikes), thus the amount of manufacturing we've lost in this country.

So, WTH are you talking about?
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Mostly the critical fallacy in thinking that manufacturing can return here and produce goods at a competitive price. We are way past that in the world today and those days are over. It's not going to happen.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Will he at least tell us the concept of his core issue?
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Vol423 said:
Their products (rare earth metals) make it into almost every high tech device. China dominates the world's market for rare earth metals. That is the biggest achilles heel for the US.
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I think that “rare earth metals” might not be the best choice of a name. China is more so creating value added metals rather than having exclusivity of pulling them out of the ground. The base materials are in places like North Carolina and the southwestern US deserts. And Greenland and probably Canada. I think that China has REMs for inputs as a byproduct of manufacturing other things. It’s just been more economical to buy from them than it is to create our own process from scratch.
 
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