Trade Wars and Tariffs

The joke is how some leftist think they are experts on everything and Trump knows nothing about anything.
Dude. Its nots just leftists who don't like Trump and think he is a moron. I'm a perfect example of that. The only thing Trump is an expert in that I can tell so far is the following:
1. Using spray tan and not giving AF.
2. Terrible hair.
3. Not knowing how to tie a tie (which is mind boggling to me).
4. Leveraging his wealth to get some decent trim.
5. Willingness to use the US military to whip the sh!t out of people.
6. Being worse at golf than I am.
 
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Dude. Its nots just leftists who don't like Trump and think he is a moron. I'm a perfect example of that. The only thing Trump is an expert in that I can tell so far is the following:
1. Using spray tan and not giving AF.
2. Terrible hair.
3. Not knowing how to tie a tie (which is mind boggling to me).
4. Leveraging his wealth to get some decent trim.
5. Willingness to use the US military to whip the sh!t out of people.
6. Being worse at golf than I am.
there it is....not a single valid worthwhile argument in your list.
 
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hipwreckedcrew
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"At some point this might change, but the fact that the tariffs that Trump has put in place have not contributed to meaningful price increases at the consumer level -- that would be revealed by increasing inflation -- shows the enormity of the mark-up on imported goods that has been paid by US consumers for decades.

There is no obligation for the foreign manufacturer, exporter, or importer to sell goods into the U.S. market at a "fair" price in relationship to the cost of those goods. They are entitled to sell their products at whatever price "the market will bear."

The ability and willingness of those three levels of wholesalers to absorb the costs of the tarrifs without significantly increase the price of those goods to the US consumers tells you how much they have been making on the backs of the US consumer for the simple reason that the US consumer has the financial ability to pay a higher price than any other economy in the world.

Now some of that profit margin is being drained away for the US Treasury. When that margin becomes smaller than the wholesalers can accept, they will either raise prices or reduce supply. THAT is where market equilibrium between supply and cost will be found."




GROK agrees:

The Markup Cushion: Evidence of Overpricing on Imported Goods

Your point about foreign manufacturers, exporters, and U.S. importers/wholesalers capturing outsized margins due to U.S. consumers' purchasing power is spot-on and backed by trade data. The U.S. market's affluence (median household income ~$75K vs. ~$13K in China) allows "what the market will bear" pricing, creating layers of profit that tariffs can erode without immediate retail hikes.
  • Typical markups on imports: For consumer goods (e.g., apparel, electronics, home goods), retail prices often reflect 100–300% markups over landed cost (FOB factory price + shipping/duties).

    A $20 imported item might retail for $50–$100 after importer (20–50% gross margin), wholesaler (10–20%), and retailer (30–50%) cuts—leaving room to absorb a 10–25% tariff hit (~$2–5) without repricing.

    Luxury or branded imports can hit 500% markups.


  • Tariffs exposed this: During 2018–2019, Chinese exporters held prices steady (no meaningful cuts), forcing U.S. importers to absorb via margin compression—estimated at 5–10% of profits for affected firms.


    This implies pre-tariff margins were plump enough to handle it, as you note. Broader studies peg average importer/wholesaler gross margins at 20–50%, with net profits 5–20% after overhead—far above manufacturing costs in low-wage countries.


  • Historical context: Decades of globalization amplified this. U.S. import prices have risen slower than domestic goods (thanks to offshoring), but retail markups on imports grew 10–15% from 2000–2018, per BLS data—profiting intermediaries at consumers' expense.


    Tariffs acted as a "stress test," revealing how much was gouge vs. necessity.
 
hipwreckedcrew
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"At some point this might change, but the fact that the tariffs that Trump has put in place have not contributed to meaningful price increases at the consumer level -- that would be revealed by increasing inflation -- shows the enormity of the mark-up on imported goods that has been paid by US consumers for decades.

There is no obligation for the foreign manufacturer, exporter, or importer to sell goods into the U.S. market at a "fair" price in relationship to the cost of those goods. They are entitled to sell their products at whatever price "the market will bear."

The ability and willingness of those three levels of wholesalers to absorb the costs of the tarrifs without significantly increase the price of those goods to the US consumers tells you how much they have been making on the backs of the US consumer for the simple reason that the US consumer has the financial ability to pay a higher price than any other economy in the world.

Now some of that profit margin is being drained away for the US Treasury. When that margin becomes smaller than the wholesalers can accept, they will either raise prices or reduce supply. THAT is where market equilibrium between supply and cost will be found."




GROK agrees:

The Markup Cushion: Evidence of Overpricing on Imported Goods

Your point about foreign manufacturers, exporters, and U.S. importers/wholesalers capturing outsized margins due to U.S. consumers' purchasing power is spot-on and backed by trade data. The U.S. market's affluence (median household income ~$75K vs. ~$13K in China) allows "what the market will bear" pricing, creating layers of profit that tariffs can erode without immediate retail hikes.
  • Typical markups on imports: For consumer goods (e.g., apparel, electronics, home goods), retail prices often reflect 100–300% markups over landed cost (FOB factory price + shipping/duties).

    A $20 imported item might retail for $50–$100 after importer (20–50% gross margin), wholesaler (10–20%), and retailer (30–50%) cuts—leaving room to absorb a 10–25% tariff hit (~$2–5) without repricing.

    Luxury or branded imports can hit 500% markups.


  • Tariffs exposed this: During 2018–2019, Chinese exporters held prices steady (no meaningful cuts), forcing U.S. importers to absorb via margin compression—estimated at 5–10% of profits for affected firms.


    This implies pre-tariff margins were plump enough to handle it, as you note. Broader studies peg average importer/wholesaler gross margins at 20–50%, with net profits 5–20% after overhead—far above manufacturing costs in low-wage countries.


  • Historical context: Decades of globalization amplified this. U.S. import prices have risen slower than domestic goods (thanks to offshoring), but retail markups on imports grew 10–15% from 2000–2018, per BLS data—profiting intermediaries at consumers' expense.


    Tariffs acted as a "stress test," revealing how much was gouge vs. necessity.
Whoever wrote this, and GROK (Trump supported AI...), must only shop at dollar general and/or walmart.
 
A $20 imported item might retail for $50–$100 after importer (20–50% gross margin), wholesaler (10–20%), and retailer (30–50%) cuts—leaving room to absorb a 10–25% tariff hit (~$2–5) without repricing.
Luxury or branded imports can hit 500% markups.

Tariffs exposed this: During 2018–2019, Chinese exporters held prices steady (no meaningful cuts), forcing U.S. importers to absorb via margin compression—estimated at 5–10% of profits for affected firms.
Dude, either you can't read or you simply can't comprehend simple economics.

In your first example, who takes a reduction in profits? The importer, wholesaler and retailer. These are all AMERICAN entities, doofus.

In your second example, it states that U.S. importers were forced to reduce their margins (profits). Again, these are AMERICAN importers.

So who is taking a hit with tariffs? We are.

Next on Trump's economic agenda: Coal fired electrical plants supplied by Amish mule riders with buggy whips.
 
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