Toughest challenge in UT history? (Qb)

[1vol8]

Brian Maurer Game by Game Stats and Performance | ESPN

ESPN is bs?
2 rushes for 1 yard vs Bama

3 for 18 vs UK

He literally had one game with 20 or more rushing yards.

It would say stay away from 1vol8 because your kid will be a 46% passer and be even less accurate than that.

And yes. Evidently ESPN isn’t entirely accurate. This is why I’ve repeatedly told you to WATCH the games. I don’t remember him taking a sack vs UK and they called no designed runs for him. He scrambled for a 3 yard gain to the right side after getting pressure on his first attempt and got OOB. Then he went for 17 up the middle on a 3rd and 20 after a Trey Smith penalty. You add that up it comes to 20 yards. The only way it could’ve been 3 for 18 is if he took a sack (which I don’t think he did) and he lost 2 yards. Losing only 2 yards from shotgun? I don’t think that happened.

 

[k-town_king]

54% as a freshman. Bo Nix was 57% as a freshman. Not much difference is there? Oh wait...... there is a huge difference. Bo was prepared throughout his off season going in. I’m sure that helped him tremendously.

46.7%

Huge difference. There are no mulligans in football.

And yes. Evidently ESPN isn’t entirely accurate. This is why I’ve repeatedly told you to WATCH the games. I don’t remember him taking a sack vs UK and they called no designed runs for him. He scrambled for a 3 yard gain to the right side after getting pressure on his first attempt and got OOB. Then he went for 17 up the middle on a 3rd and 20 after a Trey Smith penalty. You add that up it comes to 20 yards. The only way it could’ve been 3 for 18 is if he took a sack (which I don’t think he did) and he lost 2 yards. Losing only 2 yards from shotgun? I don’t think that happened.

So ESPN has the wrong stats but you are right?

This sums up all of your BM posting. Wrong but can't admit it. Pretty sad and funny

 

[sjt18]

46.7%

Huge difference. There are no mulligans in football.

There are no ends to your deceptive manipulation of stats....

So ESPN has the wrong stats but you are right?

This sums up all of your BM posting. Wrong but can't admit it. Pretty sad and funny

Stats have limitations. You recognize that on the rare occasion it supports an argument you make. A throw away is a better play than taking a sack 100% of the time... yet you've made no end of praising JG's completion rate as a RS Fr when he took 30 sacks while starting 6 games. JG has had FAR more opportunities than Maurer.

But let's compare their first two games.... That's fair, right? Lack of opportunity shouldn't be counted against someone, right?

JG's first two games he was 6/17 (35.3%) for 38 yards. Versus Indiana St (4/13 for 41 yds)and UMass (2/5 for -3). It should be noted that JG's PT vs UMass was in a competitive game... that was competitive because Jones pulled his starter and wasted drives with JG.

Maurer's first two games which skew his results for the year... he was 4/13 (30.8%). Versus Chatt (0/2 for 0 yds) and UF (4/11 for 44 yds).

The "stats" say that Maurer as a true Fr vs better competition was better than JG against lighter competition in their first two games. Of course now you'll declare the stats don't matter.... and for once you'll be right. Maurer's first two games were "junk time". JG's only success in his first two games was also junk time. But you'll use those two games to claim that Maurer is a "bad" QB... completely out of context and inconsistent with the slack you cut JG.

 

[k-town_king]

There are no ends to your deceptive manipulation of stats....




Stats have limitations. You recognize that on the rare occasion it supports an argument you make. A throw away is a better play than taking a sack 100% of the time... yet you've made no end of praising JG's completion rate as a RS Fr when he took 30 sacks while starting 6 games. JG has had FAR more opportunities than Maurer.

But let's compare their first two games.... That's fair, right? Lack of opportunity shouldn't be counted against someone, right?

JG's first two games he was 6/17 (35.3%) for 38 yards. Versus Indiana St (4/13 for 41 yds)and UMass (2/5 for -3). It should be noted that JG's PT vs UMass was in a competitive game... that was competitive because Jones pulled his starter and wasted drives with JG.

Maurer's first two games which skew his results for the year... he was 4/13 (30.8%). Versus Chatt (0/2 for 0 yds) and UF (4/11 for 44 yds).

The "stats" say that Maurer as a true Fr vs better competition was better than JG against lighter competition in their first two games. Of course now you'll declare the stats don't matter.... and for once you'll be right. Maurer's first two games were "junk time". JG's only success in his first two games was also junk time. But you'll use those two games to claim that Maurer is a "bad" QB... completely out of context and inconsistent with the slack you cut JG.

Lmao.

They started about the same and by the end of the year JG blew him out of the water.

And JG played tougher teams. He faced SEC teams in his freshman starts. He was just WAY better than BM last year. JG played Bama, LSU, USC (ranked) etc.

Also BM had a sack rate last year just about as bad as JG as a freshman. Still couldn't complete 50%.

Don't jump in and get smashed like your boy did.

 

[EODVOL]

OMG! Would you PLEASE go back and WATCH the games! He threw the ball away a lot! He got thrown to the wolves vs UF! But LOOK at the difference in the games HE was prepared as the starter man! There’s a huge difference in his performance as a result! If you’re being honest you can only judge him on how he performed when the coaches prepared him to perform. IN THOSE GAMES he was 54%. Not 47%. 54% isn’t great but it was ONLY 5% worse than JG and his passes were going downfield with very few check downs because he didn’t know where his checkdowns were! However he provided the added element of his escape and running abilities that JG doesn’t.

The one thing consistent about VOLNATION these last few years is K-Town's love affair with JG. K-Town sees what he wants to see in JG while ignoring all else. In K-Town's mind, the stat sheet doesn't lie and tell the entire story.

 

[sjt18]

Lmao.

They started about the same and by the end of the year JG blew him out of the water.

You are simply a dishonest person. JG started and there really wasn't anyone else. Maurer was injured with JG and Shrout also getting a lot of snaps. He didn't "blow him out of the water" by any stretch of the imagination. JG ramped up his completion % by eating too many sacks and checking down for ineffective plays. Maurer unquestionably played his limited time against better competition... and outperformed JG in 3 of the 4 games with both playing significant and meaningful snaps.

And JG played tougher teams. He faced SEC teams in his freshman starts. He was just WAY better than BM last year. JG played Bama, LSU, USC (ranked) etc.

LOL@U... no he simply didn't. You just can't be honest or objective, can you?

Also BM had a sack rate last year just about as bad as JG as a freshman. Still couldn't complete 50%.

Read it again... less opportunities. It matters... A LOT. Maurer's injuries may prevent him from ever becoming a good QB. But had he been able to stay health there's a really good chance that he would have improved and performed well (boosting his stats) against the weaker opponents in the second half of last season.

Don't jump in and get smashed like your boy did.

You really don't realize how much of a joke you are to most posters here do you? You even embarrass those who defend JG.

 

[sjt18]

The one thing consistent about VOLNATION these last few years is K-Town's love affair with JG. K-Town sees what he wants to see in JG while ignoring all else. In K-Town's mind, the stat sheet doesn't lie and tell the entire story.

Well... at least the stats on the stat sheet that say what he wants them to say. The rest don't matter.

 

[1vol8]

The one thing consistent about VOLNATION these last few years is K-Town's love affair with JG. K-Town sees what he wants to see in JG while ignoring all else. In K-Town's mind, the stat sheet doesn't lie and tell the entire story.

Until it doesn’t. He’s yet to defend said stat sheet that shows BM was 54% in the games he was prepared in. In fact he avoids it like the plague because he can’t admit that being prepared matters.

 

[k-town_king]

You are simply a dishonest person. JG started and there really wasn't anyone else. Maurer was injured with JG and Shrout also getting a lot of snaps. He didn't "blow him out of the water" by any stretch of the imagination. JG ramped up his completion % by eating too many sacks and checking down for ineffective plays. Maurer unquestionably played his limited time against better competition... and outperformed JG in 3 of the 4 games with both playing significant and meaningful snaps.

LOL@U... no he simply didn't. You just can't be honest or objective, can you?

Read it again... less opportunities. It matters... A LOT. Maurer's injuries may prevent him from ever becoming a good QB. But had he been able to stay health there's a really good chance that he would have improved and performed well (boosting his stats) against the weaker opponents in the second half of last season.


You really don't realize how much of a joke you are to most posters here do you? You even embarrass those who defend JG.

Yes what JG did as a fr in comparison to BM blew him out the water.

This year they both meaningful snaps vs UF,MSU, Al, and UK.

JG played better in those games. Bama was a tossup.

 

[k-town_king]

Until it doesn’t. He’s yet to defend said stat sheet that shows BM was 54% in the games he was prepared in. In fact he avoids it like the plague because he can’t admit that being prepared matters.

There is no "prepared game" stat.

Its an excuse. Fr come in and ball out with no prep. IF they have the talent.

 

[1vol8]

Yes what JG did as a fr in comparison to BM blew him out the water.

This year they both meaningful snaps vs UF,MSU, Al, and UK.

JG played better in those games. Bama was a tossup.

UF - you’re out of your mind if you think JG outplayed BM. JG looked like the freshman in that game and BM was responsible for the only points on the board as bad as he looked himself.

MSU- once again you’re out of your mind. BM made mistakes but otherwise was absolutely dissecting MSU. JG threw a 3 yard pass that TB took to the house. JG made ONE big play on his throw to Keyton.

Bama- is no toss up. BM was 6/7 and had the game competitively tied at 7 and was driving again after they went up a td. No need to discuss what JG did in that game.

UK- is your ONLY leg to stand on and I’d call that shaky. JG did play better in that game than BM . But BM was coming off of injury and hadn’t seen action for nearly a month.

 

[sjt18]

In 2017, JG played 5 full games vs the SEC including 2 teams that ended the season ranked. The O averaged 18.6 ppg over that stretch. UT lost all of those games by an average margin of 17 points to include a blowout loss to a 5-7 Vandy team.

Maurer got hurt. That's a legit concern. He may be injury prone. But he played just a tad over enough minutes to constitute a game vs UGA, MSU, and Bama.... the O scored 28 points in spite of two very bad picks vs MSU on very good drives.

 

[k-town_king]

UF - you’re out of your mind if you think JG outplayed BM. JG looked like the freshman in that game and BM was responsible for the only points on the board as bad as he looked himself.

MSU- once again you’re out of your mind. BM made mistakes but otherwise was absolutely dissecting MSU. JG threw a 3 yard pass that TB took to the house. JG made ONE big play on his throw to Keyton.

Bama- is no toss up. BM was 6/7 and had the game competitively tied at 7 and was driving again after they went up a td. No need to discuss what JG did in that game.

UK- is your ONLY leg to stand on and I’d call that shaky. JG did play better in that game than BM . But BM was coming off of injury and hadn’t seen action for nearly a month.

UF Jg was better. We also dropped a td JG threw since you like your hypotheticals so much. JG moved the ball better and had better stats.
MSU- no contest.JG was perfect.BM was a turnover machine. Actually should have one more int that game

Bama-Both moved the ball. JG made a mistake but we were in the game with him.

Uk-no contest

In 2017, JG played 5 full games vs the SEC including 2 teams that ended the season ranked. The O averaged 18.6 ppg over that stretch. UT lost all of those games by an average margin of 17 points to include a blowout loss to a 5-7 Vandy team.

Maurer got hurt. That's a legit concern. He may be injury prone. But he played just a tad over enough minutes to constitute a game vs UGA, MSU, and Bama.... the O scored 28 points in spite of two very bad picks vs MSU on very good drives.

Every game Muarer played we lost or JG came back to save us.

We were worse as a team when JG was a fr. He was still way better.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Yes what JG did as a fr in comparison to BM blew him out the water.

This year they both meaningful snaps vs UF,MSU, Al, and UK.

JG played better in those games. Bama was a tossup.

And in only one of those games JG played well. So there’s that.

 

[hUTch2002]

I find that impossible to believe

I’m guessing the difference between starting and playing. Schaffer started against the ranked teams maybe?

 

[hUTch2002]

Yes what JG did as a fr in comparison to BM blew him out the water.

This year they both meaningful snaps vs UF,MSU, Al, and UK.

JG played better in those games. Bama was a tossup.

Are you going by that first year with JG under Butch? We literally went backwards every time he came into the game and then inexplicably BJ decided to start him against SC. He had done less than nothing in his opportunities to that point so that was yet another really dumb decision in a game we needed to win for bowl eligibility.

 

[ABINGDON VOL FAN]

I’ve recently been challenged to learn historical facts about the qb position at the University of Tennessee. In that research I’ve learned quite a bit and am now looking for more info I may find interesting. Maybe some of you can help.

The subject matter is freshman qbs. Everyone knows I’m a huge qb fan and Maurer supporter but this is more about wondering if I happened to stumble across info that we all should know before criticizing him. In the research I’ve done about qbs suggested (Dobbs, Clausen and Ainge) I’ve learned that it may be entirely possible that Maurer may have had the toughest opening 4 game stretch in UT football history.

Dobbs had the closest comparison so far. Dobbs first start was vs #10 Missouri where he threw for 240 yards setting a record for freshman debuts only to be broken in 2019 by Maurer (259) vs #3 Georgia. Dobbs second start was vs #7 Auburn. Maurers third was vs #1 Alabama. Overall stats for both are eerily similar vs daunting tasks. Dobbs: 2 tds 6 ints 600 yards. Maurer: 2 tds 5 ints 500 yards vs higher ranking teams.

Clausen went 6-0 in his first 6 starts. However he only faced 1 ranked team (#17 USCe) within that stretch.

Ainge faced 0 ranked teams in his freshman year.


For the history buffs out there, has there ever been a freshman qb that had to face higher ranking competition than #3 within his first 4 starts?


So far it looks like Ainge had the toughest schedule of his first 4. Followed by what I consider a tie between Maurer and Dobbs. Dobbs faced three ranked teams vs Maurers 2 but Maurers were higher ranked.
Thank you to @Devo182 and @volsrock09 for providing that info.

Good research. IDK what Maurer will do long term but all the Maurer critics should include your analysis in their database.

 

[1vol8]

UF Jg was better. We also dropped a td JG threw since you like your hypotheticals so much. JG moved the ball better and had better stats.
MSU- no contest.JG was perfect.BM was a turnover machine. Actually should have one more int that game

Bama-Both moved the ball. JG made a mistake but we were in the game with him.

Uk-no contest

Every game Muarer played we lost or JG came back to save us.

We were worse as a team when JG was a fr. He was still way better.

I’m sorry dude but that ball was thrown too hard to be so high at the front of the end zone vs UF. You can’t put that on JJ. JG missed his target.

 

[1vol8]

Good research. IDK what Maurer will do long term but all the Maurer critics should include your analysis in their database.

Thank you and I absolutely agree.

 

[sjt18]

UF Jg was better. We also dropped a td JG threw since you like your hypotheticals so much. JG moved the ball better and had better stats.

LOL... UF dominated JG led UT. Maurer didn't play until the game was completely out of reach. JG stank so bad in that game that Pruitt chose to play a true Fr who wasn't ready vs the best D in the country rather than putting JG out there.

MSU- no contest.JG was perfect.BM was a turnover machine. Actually should have one more int that game

And they were so afraid JG would lose that game for them that he only had one throw down field. A walk on could have completed the TD to Byrd. Maurer made mistakes that unfortunately Fr who weren't the focus of off-season prep make. He handed JG a lead. Fortunately Chaney was able to play call well enough and conservative enough to preserve the win.

Bama-Both moved the ball. JG made a mistake but we were in the game with him.

LOL... how much of a liar are you? UT was in that game UNTIL JG came in. Maurer was 5 for 7 with a pick that was essentially a handoff from JJ to Bama on a perfectly thrown ball. JG was under 50% passing with twice as many attempts for less yardage. JG stalled drive after drive.

Uk-no contest

JG played better that game. One for 4 for your 4th year QB vs a true Fr coming off an injury... And you think that supports your ridiculous arguments?

Every game Muarer played we lost or JG came back to save us.

False. UT was ahead when JG entered vs MSU. UT was only down by 10 when JG entered vs UK. The D stopped them in the 2nd half and UT managed a win in spite of scoring on only 2 of 5 drives. Again, JG played better in THAT game... but based on experience and your hype... it should have been every game. Maurer should have never played except in mop up.

Again, the trump card on EVERY argument you try to make. MAURER HAD NO BUSINESS PLAYING. He was FORCED to play because JG played so poorly.

We were worse as a team when JG was a fr. He was still way better.

No. He simply wasn't. He played more. He was completely ineffective as a QB. The O didn't move. They didn't score points. He took too many sacks. He was too slow making reads. He was MUCH too easy to defend.

 

[GAVol]

I’m guessing the difference between starting and playing. Schaffer started against the ranked teams maybe?

Pretty sure Ainge started against Georgia and Auburn. Not sure who got the first snap against Florida. It's a moot point though. It was pretty clear very early that Ainge was the guy. He played the position about as well as a true freshman is going to do it.

 

[m1al]

Oh boy, another JG argument complete with stat boy's agenda and HUGE chip he always carries on his shoulder...


Where have I seen this before?...

 

[hUTch2002]

Pretty sure Ainge started against Georgia and Auburn. Not sure who got the first snap against Florida. It's a moot point though. It was pretty clear very early that Ainge was the guy. He played the position about as well as a true freshman is going to do it.

Brent started the season and seemed like against UF too but maybe not. I know Ainge is a big reason we won that game though. That and our kicker who almost lost it for us before he won it for us. Great game. I was somehow in the middle of a Florida section for that one.

 

[GAVol]

Brent started the season and seemed like against UF too but maybe not. I know Ainge is a big reason we won that game though. That and our kicker who almost lost it for us before he won it for us. Great game. I was somehow in the middle of a Florida section for that one.

Blew my mind when I looked at Ainge's freshman stats and realized he threw it nearly 200 times. As crazy as it seems, he might be the most productive true freshman QB we've ever had.

 

[Vjcvette]

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