Toughest challenge in UT history? (Qb)

[wmcovol]

What was their rank and was that in order?

I recall Bray not starting until after Alabama. I recall Simms getting the ass kickings from the ranked teams. I could be wrong but Bray reeled off a list of wins after Simms got thru murderers row.

 

[1vol8]

Oh I have no idea, was just stating some really great freshman performances. Bray's entire FR campaign was really solid!

Believe it or not I’m not trying to compare Maurer to any of those guys. However the Dobbs/Maurer freshman stat sheet is significant imo because they have similar playing styles.

 

[OHvol40]

Believe it or not I’m not trying to compare Maurer to any of those guys. However the Dobbs/Maurer freshman stat sheet is significant imo because they have similar playing styles.

Dobbs had some kind of unquantifiable quality... a drive to win. One of my friends that doesn’t follow college ball but is a die hard Steelers fan asked me what they were getting when he was drafted. I struggled to articulate Dobbs. Objectively, he was a good runner but not a burner. He was also average in the accuracy department. He was just kind of like J. Jennings, measurably unimpressive, but a dog who wants to win more than most.

 

[Devo182]

So at this point no one has been able to remember or find anyone that faced two teams #3 or above for any freshman qb within his first 4 starts. That’s what I’m looking for

Looked back a little for ya, Dobbs played a brutal first 4 games. He was inserted vs #7 Bama on the road (lol) game 1, then started at #5 Mizzou, #2 Auburn, #24 Vandy.

Hope that helps. Not sure if you'll find a ton of guys before him and bray. Freshman starting multiple games is just so rare imo.

 

[1vol8]

Yes SECSTATCAT has an accuracy stat. They do it like PFF. Judge accuracy regardless of pass completion.

BM was only accurate on 44% of his passes while completing 46%.

This years JG is completing 61% but has been accurate of 58% of his passes.

BM was fourth from the bottom. In ACCURACY.

OMG! Would you PLEASE go back and WATCH the games! He threw the ball away a lot! He got thrown to the wolves vs UF! But LOOK at the difference in the games HE was prepared as the starter man! There’s a huge difference in his performance as a result! If you’re being honest you can only judge him on how he performed when the coaches prepared him to perform. IN THOSE GAMES he was 54%. Not 47%. 54% isn’t great but it was ONLY 5% worse than JG and his passes were going downfield with very few check downs because he didn’t know where his checkdowns were! However he provided the added element of his escape and running abilities that JG doesn’t.

 

["It's Time"]

I believe Casey started against LSU, GA, and Bama right after facing a scrub in 2000.. Could be wrong, but I don’t remember rankings of these teams.. I do remember him being all freshman SEC

 

[1vol8]

Looked back a little for you, Dobbs played a brutal first 4 games. He was inserted vs #7 Bama on the road (lol) game 1, then started at #5 Mizzou, #2 Auburn, #24 Vandy.

That’s why I said his start was the closest. He never faced #1 or #3 within those starts but he had an extra ranked team in there.

 

[k-town_king]

Believe it or not I’m not trying to compare Maurer to any of those guys. However the Dobbs/Maurer freshman stat sheet is significant imo because they have similar playing styles.

Not really. Dobbs was a great scrambler. He could actually run. He was also much more accurate.

BM will run when his first read isn't open but that doesn't make him a great scrambler. I don't think anyone considers him a dual threat like Dobbs or Johnny Football.

Dobbs 5 games 189 yards rushing 5 ypc as a freshman.

BM with 8 games only 56 yards rushing less than half the ypc at 2.4


I know you just started watching UT. Dobbs and BM play nothing alike.

38 ypg and 5 ypc vs 7 ypg and 2.4 ypc.

Not at all similar in playstyle

 

[37620VOL]

This whole thread is an example of having a conclusion and then scrounging for "evidence" to support it.

 

[1vol8]

Not really. Dobbs was a great scrambler. He could actually run. He was also much more accurate.

BM will run when his first read isn't open but that doesn't make him a great scrambler. I don't think anyone considers him a dual threat like Dobbs or Johnny Football.

Dobbs 5 games 189 yards rushing 5 ypc as a freshman.

BM with 8 games only 56 yards rushing less than half the ypc at 2.4


I know you just started watching UT. Dobbs and BM play nothing alike.

38 ypg and 5 ypc vs 7 ypg and 2.4 ypc.

Not at all similar in playstyle

Look again buddy. Maurer never tried to run vs UGA. So that -29 for sacks...... take it off and compare then in games he actually used his legs.

 

[k-town_king]

OMG! Would you PLEASE go back and WATCH the games! He threw the ball away a lot! He got thrown to the wolves vs UF! But LOOK at the difference in the games HE was prepared as the starter man! There’s a huge difference in his performance as a result! If you’re being honest you can only judge him on how he performed when the coaches prepared him to perform. IN THOSE GAMES he was 54%. Not 47%. 54% isn’t great but it was ONLY 5% worse than JG and his passes were going downfield with very few check downs because he didn’t know where his checkdowns were! However he provided the added element of his escape and running abilities that JG doesn’t.

BM just takes off like a chicken with his head cut off. That isn't dual threat ability.

Also once again they have a separate stat for accuracy. He was terrible. Even worse than completion percentage.

He isn't a great scrambler. If he is we haven't seen it.

 

[1vol8]

This whole thread is an example of having a conclusion and then scrounging for "evidence" to support it.

Not true. How can anyone draw a conclusion when they don’t know? This whole thread is about becoming more educated for me as well as stumbling across information that some may find interesting.

 

[k-town_king]

Look again buddy. Maurer never tried to run vs UGA. So that -29 for sacks...... take it off and compare then in games he actually used his legs.

I did. He isn't a dual threat.

Its laughable to compare his running ability to Dobbs.

Wanna compare freshman year?
Dobbs in 5 games,
3carries/19 yards
7/45
10/50
11/23
7/52

Bm 8 games
4/16
3/1
7/-29
3/41
2/1
3/18
0/0
1/8

Dobbs worst rushing game would have been the second best for BM. BM had one game of 19 or more in 8 games.

Dobbs low was 19 on three carries.

Dobbs took sacks too.

No comparison. Its ridiculous to act like BM plays like Dobbs or runs like him.

 

[k-town_king]

Not true. How can anyone draw a conclusion when they don’t know? This whole thread is about becoming more educated for me as well as stumbling across information that some may find interesting.

Ok so then listen.

BM is not a dual threat like Dobbs.

 

[1vol8]

BM just takes off like a chicken with his head cut off. That isn't dual threat ability.

Also once again they have a separate stat for accuracy. He was terrible. Even worse than completion percentage.

He isn't a great scrambler. If he is we haven't seen it.

Never said he was a great scrambler. He’s a good runner but not a “strong” runner. Never said he was a duel threat. I also never argued that Dobbs was the better runner. There are pocket passers and then there are duel threats. Brian doesn’t fit the category of either one. He’s what I call a hybrid. Hybrids are rare. What you may or may not know is how the services classify you as a qb. If you can do more damage to a defense from the pocket they consider you a pocket passer. If you can do more damage running that’s how you get the DT label. DTs tend to lack accuracy but are very strong runners. Pocket passers have the accuracy but can’t take over a game with their legs. Very few can do both. We only seen him in the pocket vs UGA. The next week we seen both vs MSU (41 rushing on 3 carries, 61 passing on 4 completions). Back in the pocket vs Alabama and both vs UK (98 passing, 20 rushing on 2 carries). Point is his game is “rounded”.

 

[k-town_king]

Never said he was a great scrambler. He’s a good runner but not a “strong” runner. Never said he was a duel threat. I also never argued that Dobbs was the better runner. There are pocket passers and then there are duel threats. Brian doesn’t fit the category of either one. He’s what I call a hybrid. Hybrids are rare. What you may or may not know is how the services classify you as a qb. If you can do more damage to a defense from the pocket they consider you a pocket passer. If you can do more damage running that’s how you get the DT label. DTs tend to lack accuracy but are very strong runners. Pocket passers have the accuracy but can’t take over a game with their legs. Very few can do both. We only seen him in the pocket vs UGA. The next week we seen both vs MSU (41 rushing on 3 carries, 61 passing on 4 completions). Back in the pocket vs Alabama and both vs UK (98 passing, 20 rushing on 2 carries). Point is his game is “rounded”.

Bama 2 rushes for 1 yard and 43.8% passing. Lets not make up stats.

A hybrid would be able to pass and scramble effectively. Right now BM is not there. Maybe one day.

And don't compare him to Dobbs then get wrecked with facts and act like you were not comparing them.

 

[1vol8]

BM just takes off like a chicken with his head cut off. That isn't dual threat ability.

Also once again they have a separate stat for accuracy. He was terrible. Even worse than completion percentage.

He isn't a great scrambler. If he is we haven't seen it.

I’m happy you don’t coach a team. My advise is NEVER try it. Your outlook on what you THINK you know would ruin a kids mental makeup. If it were as easy as looking at stats to determine who your best QBs are I wouldn’t have a job. The services would be much more accurate than 30% and JG would’ve never went to college.

 

[1vol8]

Bama 2 rushes for 1 yard and 43.8% passing. Lets not make up stats.

A hybrid would be able to pass and scramble effectively. Right now BM is not there. Maybe one day.

And don't compare him to Dobbs then get wrecked with facts and act like you were not comparing them.

Put your computer down and back away slowly. He rushed one time vs Bama from the 1 yard line for the td. He completed 5/7 passes and it should have been 6 (JJ int). If your BS stat sheet says otherwise it explains all the BS you sling on here.

 

[k-town_king]

Put your computer down and back away slowly. He rushed one time vs Bama from the 1 yard line for the td. He completed 5/7 passes and it should have been 6 (JJ int). If your BS stat sheet says otherwise it explains all the BS you sling on here.

I mixed up the completion percentage with UK. My bad.

He also threw a couple that should have been picked off.

But yea 2 rushes for one yard is WAY different than 2 for 20.

I’m happy you don’t coach a team. My advise is NEVER try it. Your outlook on what you THINK you know would ruin a kids mental makeup. If it were as easy as looking at stats to determine who your best QBs are I wouldn’t have a job. The services would be much more accurate than 30% and JG would’ve never went to college.

I definitely can tell talent better than you. If you get paid for your "expertise" then I need to go ahead and open the ktown academy. lol

 

[volsrock09]

I’ve recently been challenged to learn historical facts about the qb position at the University of Tennessee. In that research I’ve learned quite a bit and am now looking for more info I may find interesting. Maybe some of you can help.

The subject matter is freshman qbs. Everyone knows I’m a huge qb fan and Maurer supporter but this is more about wondering if I happened to stumble across info that we all should know before criticizing him. In the research I’ve done about qbs suggested (Dobbs, Clausen and Ainge) I’ve learned that it may be entirely possible that Maurer may have had the toughest opening 4 game stretch in UT football history.

Dobbs had the closest comparison so far. Dobbs first start was vs #10 Missouri where he threw for 240 yards setting a record for freshman debuts only to be broken in 2019 by Maurer (259) vs #3 Georgia. Dobbs second start was vs #7 Auburn. Maurers third was vs #1 Alabama. Overall stats for both are eerily similar vs daunting tasks. Dobbs: 2 tds 6 ints 600 yards. Maurer: 2 tds 5 ints 500 yards vs higher ranking teams.

Clausen went 6-0 in his first 6 starts. However he only faced 1 ranked team (#17 USCe) within that stretch.

Ainge faced 0 ranked teams in his freshman year.


For the history buffs out there, has there ever been a freshman qb that had to face higher ranking competition than #3 within his first 4 starts?

Just going off of ranked teams is misleading. OU is ranked top 5 most of every year, but that doesn't mean their D is any good. Plus, playing a highly ranked team in the middle of a season doesn't really take into context what the other team finishes at. For example, Eric Ainges first official start (even though he took over in the 2nd or 3rd series of the W vs Florida and played the rest of the way) was against Auburn who was #8 at the time, but ended up 13-0 on the season and should've been playing USC over OU for the Championship, IMO.

For the 2019 games that Maurer started I looked into their D ranking (total, passing, and Pts/G) and compared them to Ainge. It takes a while so I only compared his Fr year to Maurers. IMO, Ainge had it more difficult than Maurer.

2019 Maurers Defenses Faced:
Georgia-4th in total D, 24th in passing D, and 1st in Pts/G
Bama- 17th in Total D, 10th in passing D, ad 13th in Pts/G

2004 Ainge first 4 starts:
Auburn- 5th in total D, 8th in passing D, 1st in Pts/G
Georgia- 11th in total D, 16th in passing D, 9th in Pts/G
Bama- 2nd in total D, 1st in passing D, 7th in Pts/G

 

[1vol8]

I mixed up the completion percentage with UK. My bad.

He also threw a couple that should have been picked off.

But yea 2 rushes for one yard is WAY different than 2 for 20.



I definitely can tell talent better than you. If you get paid for your "expertise" then I need to go ahead and open the ktown academy. lol

The 2 rushes for 1 yard is exactly what I’m talking about. That never happened in ANY game. In the Alabama game he had ONE rush for 1 yard and a td. And he never put the ball in harms way at any point vs Alabama. The 2 rushes for 20 yards was the UK game dude! I’m happy you came out with BS because now we all know just how shady the site you use really is.


I can see the commercial now. “Come to KTown academy! We don’t care what your video looks like, we only care what your stats say!” “Stay away from 1vol8. ...... he uses video! ”

 

[LittleVol]

Not really. Dobbs was a great scrambler. He could actually run. He was also much more accurate.

BM will run when his first read isn't open but that doesn't make him a great scrambler. I don't think anyone considers him a dual threat like Dobbs or Johnny Football.

Dobbs 5 games 189 yards rushing 5 ypc as a freshman.

BM with 8 games only 56 yards rushing less than half the ypc at 2.4


I know you just started watching UT. Dobbs and BM play nothing alike.

38 ypg and 5 ypc vs 7 ypg and 2.4 ypc.

Not at all similar in playstyle

I would have to agree.
Dobbs also had some power ro his running. Even as freshman.

Maurer has a far stronger arm. Between the ears Dobbs was more like Gaurantano with ball security, but processed plays much faster.

They do have some similarities, but yes Brian is more of Pro-Style QB than dual-threat. But he can still run well straight line

 

[1vol8]

Just going off of ranked teams is misleading. OU is ranked top 5 most of every year, but that doesn't mean their D is any good. Plus, playing a highly ranked team in the middle of a season doesn't really take into context what the other team finishes at. For example, Eric Ainges first official start (even though he took over in the 2nd or 3rd series of the W vs Florida and played the rest of the way) was against Auburn who was #8 at the time, but ended up 13-0 on the season and should've been playing USC over OU for the Championship, IMO.

For the 2019 games that Maurer started I looked into their D ranking (total, passing, and Pts/G) and compared them to Ainge. It takes a while so I only compared his Fr year to Maurers. IMO, Ainge had it more difficult than Maurer.

2019 Maurers Defenses Faced:
Georgia-4th in total D, 24th in passing D, and 1st in Pts/G
Bama- 17th in Total D, 10th in passing D, ad 13th in Pts/G

2004 Ainge first 4 starts:
Auburn- 5th in total D, 8th in passing D, 1st in Pts/G
Georgia- 11th in total D, 16th in passing D, 9th in Pts/G
Bama- 2nd in total D, 1st in passing D, 7th in Pts/G

That’s the kind of info I was looking for! Thank you! Ainge is definitely in the lead now but Maurers is certainly up there.

 

[k-town_king]

The 2 rushes for 1 yard is exactly what I’m talking about. That never happened in ANY game. In the Alabama game he had ONE rush for 1 yard and a td. And he never put the ball in harms way at any point vs Alabama. The 2 rushes for 20 yards was the UK game dude! I’m happy you came out with BS because now we all know just how shady the site you use really is.


I can see the commercial now. “Come to KTown academy! We don’t care what your video looks like, we only care what your stats say!” “Stay away from 1vol8. ...... he uses video! ”

Brian Maurer Game by Game Stats and Performance | ESPN

ESPN is bs?
2 rushes for 1 yard vs Bama

3 for 18 vs UK

He literally had one game with 20 or more rushing yards.

It would say stay away from 1vol8 because your kid will be a 46% passer and be even less accurate than that.

 

[1vol8]

Brian Maurer Game by Game Stats and Performance | ESPN

ESPN is bs?
2 rushes for 1 yard vs Bama

3 for 18 vs UK

He literally had one game with 20 or more rushing yards.

It would say stay away from 1vol8 because your kid will be a 46% passer and be even less accurate than that.

54% as a freshman. Bo Nix was 57% as a freshman. Not much difference is there? Oh wait...... there is a huge difference. Bo was prepared throughout his off season going in. I’m sure that helped him tremendously.