totally out matched??

#79
#79
What was done at La. Tech doesn't hold a glass of water with me.
He will have his chance to prove himself...let us no forget that we have a pretty good staff on hand that knows their way around a football field.

Dooley is extremely organized and pays attention to detail, he will be a disciplinarian.
Besides him bing the spokesman for the team and doing recruiting, that is all he is needed for.

He won't be calling every play, the games will not ride solely on him.
 
#80
#80
I'm more worried about personnel than anything, we have a pretty depleted team. The staff will do a fine job in my estimation.

Patience.
 
#81
#81
I asked why his record mattered and compared his record to Saban. I did not compare conferences.

So you're saying a worse record in a stronger conference means you will win national championships?
 
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BmoreVol said:
I asked why his record mattered and compared his record to Saban. I did not compare conferences.
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Which is like saying a 3.5 G.P.A at Roane State is the same as a 3.5 at Stanford. Numbers without context are utterly meaningless.
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hatvol96 said:
Which is like saying a 3.5 G.P.A at Roane State is the same as a 3.5 at Stanford. Numbers without context are utterly meaningless.
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Still yet, the level of competition he was playing against may have been far superior in the Big Ten but he also had far superior talent at MSU...comparatively speaking.

I don't think the comparison is that far off.

Michigan State was better suited to compete then La.Tech was or ever will be.
 
#84
#84
It is clear that nobody here knows for sure what will happen with Derek Dooley as our Head Football Coach, but one thing is for sure. He is putting himself in a position to succeed by hiring the staff that he did, much like Kiffin. Also, hate on him all you want about what he did at Louisiana Tech but it doesn't matter.. At the end of the day he is still our HC and that is all in the past. We should be focused on what he is trying to do to improve the program instead of whining about a record that doesn't even matter anymore. Either way he got hired on here and we are stuck with him, win or lose.

You can provide your "facts" all day long about why you think he isn't a good coach but it is just pointless.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Which is like saying a 3.5 G.P.A at Roane State is the same as a 3.5 at Stanford. Numbers without context are utterly meaningless.
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what does 2+2 equal at Stanford? Kidding.

So - looks like we agree - comparing the record at La Tech, a doormat of the WAC (Roane, local bank, ice cube) means nothing in determining the likelihood of success at UT (Stanford, Nat Treasury, Glacier). No different than comparing Dooleys record to Sabans record in their first 3 years. The context of both is completely different.

I knew we would get there - thanks.
 
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GahLee said:
Still yet, the level of competition he was playing against may have been far superior in the Big Ten but he also had far superior talent at MSU...comparatively speaking.

I don't think the comparison is that far off.

Michigan State was better suited to compete then La.Tech was or ever will be.
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NO WAY.. A real coach would have went undefeated their first season with La Tech. Get a clue.

:p

La Tech losing to all the teams these guys have mentioned is like UT losing to GA, SC, or Arkansas (being the major La Tech upset). Comparatively speaking. Except the difference is we have a chance to do something about it because our school has football tradition. Their players either flunked out somewhere else or didn't have anywhere else to go.
 
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BmoreVol said:
what does 2+2 equal at Stanford? Kidding.

So - looks like we agree - comparing the record at La Tech, a doormat of the WAC (Roane, local bank, ice cube) means nothing in determining the likelihood of success at UT (Stanford, Nat Treasury, Glacier). No different than comparing Dooleys record to Sabans record in their first 3 years. The context of both is completely different.

I knew we would get there - thanks.
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If you were a "doormat" three years into your tenure in a league that includes Utah State, Idaho, New Mexico State, and San Jose State it's a pretty safe assumption your stay in the SEC will be neither long nor successful.
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hatvol96 said:
If you were a "doormat" three years into your tenure in a league that includes Utah State, Idaho, New Mexico State, and San Jose State it's a pretty safe assumption your stay in the SEC will be neither long nor successful.
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delete my doormat reference. I was underscoring your point that the MAC is Roane, not suggesting CDD was a doormat. Ok - i read again and you still dont have a point.

If he was 12-0 (3.5) in the WAC (Roane) there still would be no correlation or indication of success (3.5) in the SEC (Stanford.). To your exact point, numbers without context are meaningless.

Yes - i know a 3.5 is not a perfect score.

I know you really really want your argument to make sense so ill go to bed and let you work on some more analogies.
 
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hatvol96 said:
If you were a "doormat" three years into your tenure in a league that includes Utah State, Idaho, New Mexico State, and San Jose State it's a pretty safe assumption your stay in the SEC will be neither long nor successful.
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A dud in the conference is a dud in the conference. Just ask Lou Holtz or Steve Spurrier.
 
#92
#92
Good point orangepride -

Hat and SGM, when will Spurrier's resume win the SEC or a National Title at USCjr?
 
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ihateflorida said:
More of a question than a statement. Like I said , dont know much about them during those years.
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When the two teams played in 2008 (and Army won), Army was a 3-9 team that year with its only wins over LA tech, tulane (2-10) and eastern michigan (3-9); that season also included losses to Temple (5-7), Akron (5-7), Texas A&M (4 wins), and New Hampshire

from 2006-2009, army was 3-9, 3-9, 3-9, 5-7
 
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justingroves said:
What about Utah State?
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Justin, I thought we already went down this road? You actually even retracted and accepted the fact that Utah State wasn't a great example because Dooley had beaten them twice and then lost to them in 09 by a point or two... Why do you say one thing in one thread (that has since been deleted) and then say something else on here?
 
#95
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ihateflorida said:
Did they play the same type competition? I doubt it, but dont know.. Im guessing you dont know this either, but you opt to be on the negative side.
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I've looked up Crowton and the schedules he had while at La Tech and it seems he played significantly easier competition.

Crowton is the one hat or whoever likes to point to when criticizing Dooleys record. I've actually posted this before but it fell on deaf ears.

1996 they played: MTSU, Baylor, Central Michigan, Mississippi St, Louisiana Laffayette, Texas AM, Arkansas, Toledo, UAB, UNI, and Arkansas St

1997: Bowling Green, Louisiana-Monroe, Central Michigan, Arkansas, Cal, Auburn, Ark st, Boise St, Alabama, UAB, and Louisiana lafayette.

Actually had wins over Cal and Bama who were 3-8 and 4-7 that year respectively. And every team they beat that year had a losing record. The teams they had victories over had a win loss record of 29-71 collectively.

1998: Nebraska, Central Florida, Texas AM, Louisiana Lafayette, Wyoming, Boise St, Louisiana Monroe, UAB, Auburn, Nicholls State, Ark St, and Tulane.
 
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hatvol96 said:
If you were a "doormat" three years into your tenure in a league that includes Utah State, Idaho, New Mexico State, and San Jose State it's a pretty safe assumption your stay in the SEC will be neither long nor successful.
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I know that facts have never been your strong suit, but for all the other posters out there that are more interested in facts rather than rhetoric, Dooley's record against these four teams was 10-2... The two losses came in 2009 against Utah State by two points and Idaho by one point.
 
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TrueOrange said:
When the two teams played in 2008 (and Army won), Army was a 3-9 team that year with its only wins over LA tech, tulane (2-10) and eastern michigan (3-9); that season also included losses to Temple (5-7), Akron (5-7), Texas A&M (4 wins), and New Hampshire

from 2006-2009, army was 3-9, 3-9, 3-9, 5-7
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LA Monroe was 6-6 the year they beat Saban's Alabama team.. Not considering the fact that it was Saban's first year, which team do you think was more talented?
 
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VolsDeep said:
LA Monroe was 6-6 the year they beat Saban's Alabama team.. Not considering the fact that it was Saban's first year, which team do you think was more talented?
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I'm not giving an opinion here. The guy was unfamiliar with - and asking - about how Army did the season LA tech lost to them, as well as how the program was doing in the years around the period when Dooley was at LA tech
 
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TrueOrange said:
I'm not giving an opinion here. The guy was unfamiliar with - and asking - about how Army did the season LA tech lost to them, as well as how the program was doing in the years around the period when Dooley was at LA tech
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Oh I know, I just get upset when people attempt to look at isolated games without considering the larger picture... Which is why I also called out Justin, who earlier admitted that Utah State was not a legit team to use as an example, but then continued to use them as an example in this thread..... There are questions concerning Dooley's record, but at least take five seconds and realize that you should use Nevade instead of Utah State as your example! lol
 
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Cartervol said:
I wasn't a fan of the hire, but you can pretty much throw his record at Loser Tech out the window. I don't think in the long run his time or record there will have any bearing on how he does here. Dooley's biggest obstacles is beating a couple of National Championship coaches that have a death grip on the conference and staying on par recruiting wise. He's a unknown, that's what's scary about it. Hamilton took another chance on this hire, he'll hang if this one goes bad.
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and that is really all that can be said. We can debate this hire: his record there, quality of opponents, etc. But none of that matters now. Like every other coach in this league, Derek Dooley will be judged on how his teams perform from here going forward. If you're a fan, you hope he can get it done. That's all you can do. Here's hoping this fanbase can help to provide a positive climate.
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