Total Misconception about recruits!

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Southern Mississippi 29-7
Louisiana Tech 29-8
Middle Tennessee 24-9
Tulsa 21-13

Florida 36-3
Kentucky 29-11
Georgia 20-14
Tennessee 24-14

terrypedigo said:
Florida elite 8
Kentucky final 4
Tennessee sweet 16
The 4 above neither made it to the sweet 16.
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The game is rigged for the power conferences. All about money. The 3 SEC teams were in the NCAA, Tennessee just barely. Tulsa, the 4th place team won the tournament, got the only bid, a 13 seed, and lost to UCLA, a 4 seed, 76-59. Southern Miss and Louisiana Tech went to the NIT where USM beat the SEC fifth place team, Missouri, and Louisiana Tech beat the SEC third place team in the second round! Next question? Doesn't that also answer the parity issue?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
No it means power conference schools typically don't give a rats a$$ about the nit
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I see you are one of those elitist power conference guys who doesn't give a damn about the other 272 schools in mid-major conferences and are quite delusional about how grand you are! There are only 73 schools in power conferences. Maybe the NCAA should just allow them in the tournament. Give me a break! And you profess to know college basketball!
 
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SeniorDrill said:
I see you are one of those elitist power conference guys who doesn't give a damn about the other 272 schools in mid-major conferences and are quite delusional about how grand you are! There are only 73 schools in power conferences. Maybe the NCAA should just allow them in the tournament. Give me a break! And you profess to know college basketball!
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Says the guy claiming we will be just fine with a roster full of c-USA players.
 
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Can you point out where I said that, please? See, you just make stuff up to make a counter argument when you are totally wrong! Sorry to say, ole buddy, you're gonna see a lot of zone defense which you said I was crazy for advocating! Again, shows just how little you know about college basketball!
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Can you point out where I said that, please? See, you just make stuff up to make a counter argument when you are totally wrong! Sorry to say, ole buddy, you're gonna see a lot of zone defense which you said I was crazy for advocating! Again, shows just how little you know about college basketball!
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You also said nobody scored against the 1-3-1 and Michigan blasted it, shows how much you know.

I don't give a crap what kinda defense we play, as long as we win, bruh.
 
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Making stuff up again! You even pointed out a couple of times during the discussion exactly where and when people scored. All I was saying was those times were few and far between. Like to know how Michigan blasted it in a couple of possessions. Geez, give it up! Nobody wants to read this crap. They want to advocate the power of mid-majors which 75% of the posts in front of you do!
 
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VegasBaby! said:
Really? The below seems to indicate a substantial difference between SEC and C-USA. 57 SEC players from 11 SEC schools in NBA v 5 C-USA players from 5 C-USA schools. Seems like a huge difference to me. Only the ACC has more players than the SEC in the NBA.


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Where Current NBA Players Come From by Division I Conference, Non-Division I College, High School, and Foreign Origin

# Schools W/ Players Avg. # NBA
Conference (# teams) NBA Players in NBA Players/Team
Atlantic Coast (15) 13 67 4.5
Southeastern (14) 11 57 4.1
Pacific 12 (12) 12 51 4.3
Big 12 (10) 7 33 3.3
American (10) 7 28 2.8
Big East (10) 9 27 2.7
Big Ten (12) 9 27 2.3
Mountain West (11) 6 13 1.2
West Coast (10) 4 10 1.0
Atlantic 10 (13) 6 7 0.5
Conference USA (16) 5 5 0.3
Ohio Valley (12) 4 4 0.3
Horizon (9) 2 3 0.3
Sun Belt (10) 2 3 0.3
Summit (8) 2 2 0.3
Big Sky (11) 2 2 0.2
Colonial (9) 2 2 0.2
Missouri Valley (10) 1 2 0.2
Southern (11) 2 2 0.2
Big West (9) 1 1 0.1
Ivy League (8) 1 1 0.1
Metro Atlantic (11) 1 1 0.1
Mid-American (12) 1 1 0.1
Mid-Eastern (13) 1 1 0.1
Patriot League (10) 1 1 0.1
Western Ath. (9) 1 1 0.1
America East (9) 0 0 0.0
Atlantic Sun (10) 0 0 0.0
Big South (12) 0 0 0.0
Northeast (10) 0 0 0.0
Southland (14) 0 0 0.0
Southwestern (10) 0 0 0.0
Independents (1) 0 0 0.0
Total Division I 113 352
Non-Division 1
High School 26
Foreign 61
Total in NBA 440
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TO be fair, these numbers are probably skewed because so many C-USA teams left this year. Memphis probably has 5 just by themselves. That would be like judging the SEC but removing Kentucky's numbers.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Ok what else has mercer done then?

Win the Nit? Nope.

Win 30 games? Nope.

I'm not diminishing what they've done at all, they've done great for Mercer standards...would you trade seasons with them though, I wouldn't?

And did we not see what a SEC roster can do to them, didn't we play them just a month ago?
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They've beaten numerous SEC rosters, and Duke in the past couple of years. I'm not trying to make them out to be a top 20 team. The simple point is that they proved they can play with just about anybody despite "inferior talent".
 
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GAVol said:
They've beaten numerous SEC rosters, and Duke in the past couple of years. I'm not trying to make them out to be a top 20 team. The simple point is that they proved they can play with just about anybody despite "inferior talent".
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Indianapolis proved that on any given night they could be Tennessee, it's basketball, on any given night any team can win.

As MC already broke down, looking at the past couple years against high majors they wouldn't even be .500, so that isn't exactly a glowing endorsement IMO.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Indianapolis proved that on any given night they could be Tennessee, it's basketball, on any given night any team can win.

As MC already broke down, looking at the past couple years against high majors they wouldn't even be .500, so that isn't exactly a glowing endorsement IMO.
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Kind of funny how you say any team can win on any given night in the first paragraph and then in the second paragraph you reference a post with all of Mercer's bad losses in the past 3 years - the one's where "any team" won - and use them as evidence that they weren't actually any good.

Why do Tennessee's bad losses not prove anything but Mercer's prove everything?

I'm not trying to argue that we can survive with an A-Sun roster. Just pointing out that there are a lot of good players outside power conferences. Mercer's PG would've started at Tennessee last year and their Center would've gotten serious minutes
 
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Domestic Silence said:
Sadly we'll find that out this year when we field an all Conference USA team and getting hammered by SEC teams.
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lol! The SEC is a marginal step above mid majors. Take Fla and KY out of the equation and our conference is no better than most mid majors. The proof is in the SEC record against non-conference foes.


Soooo... this is unresearched but I've been drinking and I think it's right!?
 
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GAVol said:
Kind of funny how you say any team can win on any given night in the first paragraph and then in the second paragraph you reference a post with all of Mercer's bad losses in the past 3 years - the one's where "any team" won - are used as evidence that they weren't actually any good.

Why do Tennessee's bad losses not prove anything but Mercer's prove everything?

I'm not trying to argue that we can survive with an A-Sun roster. Just pointing out that there are a lot of good players outside power conferences. Mercer's PG would've started at Tennessee last year and their Center would've gotten serious minutes
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Agree 100%.

As Chris said, if you hand picked the best players from each team I have little doubt they could compete in the SEC.

Simply put, do I think Southern Miss could've competed last year in the SEC? No.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Agree 100%.

As Chris said, if you hand picked the best players from each team I have little doubt they could compete in the SEC.

Simply put, do I think Southern Miss could've competed last year in the SEC? No.
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I'm no expert on their roster or their schedule, so hard for me to say. Didn't they beat Missouri though?

As for the A-Sun, which I actually know something about, I have no doubt that Fla-Gulf Coast and Mercer could've both been mid-pack SEC teams.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm no expert on their roster or their schedule, so hard for me to say. Didn't they beat Missouri though?

As for the A-Sun, which I actually know something about, I have no doubt that Fla-Gulf Coast and Mercer could've both been mid-pack SEC teams along the lines of Texas A&M/Vandy/Ole Miss.
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Which is enough for me to agree, but that was my point. OP made it sound as though we would be just fine with their rosters, if that means we would be middle of the pack to lower, that's not good enough for me.
 
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volgrad500 said:
TO be fair, these numbers are probably skewed because so many C-USA teams left this year. Memphis probably has 5 just by themselves. That would be like judging the SEC but removing Kentucky's numbers.
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OP specifically referred to Southern Mississippi, Louisiana Tech, Tulsa, and Middle Tennessee. He did not include the teams that exited C-USA to illustrate his point. He was specifically saying USM recruits are not inferior to SEC recruits. That's BS. Yes, Kentucky has the highest # of recruits in the SEC total, but 10 other SEC teams are represented in the numbers. Harris and Watson represent Tennessee.
 
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I have seen 14 more than once in here. Unless the rule changed, men's basketball teams actually only have 13 scholarships.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Which is enough for me to agree, but that was my point. OP made it sound as though we would be just fine with their rosters, if that means we would be middle of the pack to lower, that's not good enough for me.
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I'd say it's mostly a pie in the sky, defense mechanism to defend what the OP is afraid the first class may look like. Honestly, If we do end up with a class like that on short notice, it doesn't bother me that much since we both know that Tyndall is never going to settle for subsequent classes like that if he wants to keep the job.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Which is enough for me to agree, but that was my point. OP made it sound as though we would be just fine with their rosters, if that means we would be middle of the pack to lower, that's not good enough for me.
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I said no such thing. However here is a little proof the elite power conferences are not better than the top teams in the mid majors and those teams could compete in the SEC or any other league. From CUSA this year alone UTEP beat Tennessee, Southern Miss beat Missouri and Depaul, LaTech beat Oklahoma and Georgia, UAB beat North Carolina and Nebraska, Charlotte beat Michigan and Kansas State, and North Texas beat Texas A&M. This illustrates the fallacy of your arguments. As you might imagine these are not home court wins and most big schools are afraid to schedule the best mid majors. I mean Charlotte handed Michigan their butt in basketball and Appy state did it in football.
 
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Is this thread a joke on purpose. Sure the talent gap is not a gigantic one.

But, are we planning on taking this program into cbb elite? Or are we committed to the status quo of SEC mid pack or better and making the NCAA half the time?

If SMU has some recruits that can carry us to a title or Final Four, then take. If not, then quit wasting time. Go get the horses we need. Same goes for Cuonzo's commits.

We (UT) has put in the mega investment to become elite. Pearl got some around here to believe in it. Unfortunately many wring their hands over mediocre players staying or going.

We have a second rate mindset in the fan base and probably admins too. We need an elite mindset and atrategy. If the current hire is not getting us there then we have the wrong guy

We need blue chip players to win titles and get in the elite club. Sure nobody gets all 5*,every yyear, but a champion better have the lions share on the roster.

Groveling over CUSA recruits and records is counterproductive IMO.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Huh?
Every player in USM's 2014 class is a JUCO? News to me.
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Sorry you can't understand simple concepts. You were comparing mid major recruits coming in from high school with the Jucos who were recruited out of high school by mainly mid majors. The difference is the Jucos have played usually for two years and are more developed now and could be a different level of players. Apples to Oranges was the relationship of what your comparison actually entailed. You are on this during the week at 4 am and back on at 8 am and all thru the day.

Guess when I pay my taxes it is to provide a check for you just to sit around all day on the internet with all these posts you have. Get a real job and not just trying to set up another failed recruiting internet site.
 
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