Total Denial....

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#76
FLSTF-VOL said:
You still haven't answered the question. Is it just easier to question the qualifications of members as a deflection than to actually give your opinion?

By the way, exactly what are your qualifications? You may be surprised at the number of members here that do have the experience. I wouldn't be so quick to assume.

So I'll ask again, what have you seen in CBJs performance to date that makes you think that he has the ability or even the capacity to change his game day coaching? Better yet do you even think it's an issue?
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First things first, if you have Div. I, even Div II NCAA experience I'll offer my apologies. High School wanna be's and kings of the backyard are the norm here. Nothing is going on that wasn't expected. The media will do what the media does and work the aforementioned folk into a lather because it garners attention. Jones is developing his talent and working within the capabilities of the talent at it present level. If you understand the game, you can easily identify the frequent fundamental mistakes that are costing this team. I don't care who you hire regardless of what kind of jokes he tells on ESPN, the talent of a group of young adults has to be turned into skill on the field.
 
#77
#77
dcm3w said:
Yeah Butch is in denial because he couldn't stop a 4th and 14 play that went 60 yards for a TD.
Defense lost us the game.
It's so easy to blame Butch for a loss. But I might as well jump on board since everyone is doing it, it's cool!
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Poor defensive call. Rush 3 and play soft zone? Really? 118 games this year where one team lead the other by 2 TDs in the 4th quarter. The leading team won 115 times. The Vols have 2 of the 3 loses. It's simple Butch doesn't really get it.
 
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#78
So, one major difference I see in this team vs other typical TN teams is that in years past, a crucial 3rd and long was an easy 1st down for the opposition. With this team it's 4th and freebie, or in the Alfred E.Neuman vernacular, "What me, Punt?" The second point, something that has remained the same throughout my 50 or so yrs watching TN football is the misplaced loyalty of its followers. As long as these cretins buy tickets and sing rocky top its "What, me worry?" Yeah go vols alright, all the way to a 4W season and just wait till next year.

Oh look honey, a UT bumper sticker made to fit my Wal-Mart shopping buggy, and they're BOGO!
 
#79
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MedicT said:
First things first, if you have Div. I, even Div II NCAA experience I'll offer my apologies. High School wanna be's and kings of the backyard are the norm here. Nothing is going on that wasn't expected. The media will do what the media does and work the aforementioned folk into a lather because it garners attention. Jones is developing his talent and working within the capabilities of the talent at it present level. If you understand the game, you can easily identify the frequent fundamental mistakes that are costing this team. I don't care who you hire regardless of what kind of jokes he tells on ESPN, the talent of a group of young adults has to be turned into skill on the field.
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I agree with everything you just stated. To a point. And yes a lot of things are going on here that were unexpected. Namely the utter horrible game day management of our coaching staff. That's the discussion we are having here. The youth, depth issues are an altogether different issue. Those can be fixed by some of the things you quoted above. The game day coaching can't. That's squarely on CBJs shoulders and until that changes none of the other stuff will matter. The team has to be put in a position to be successful on game day. That clearly did not happen this past Saturday. And it's not just the talking head media, it's coming from former players, coaches and long time people associated with the program and big time football. They can't all be wrong can they?
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
The coaching staff does not trust Dobbs to make throws. He is rarely allowed to throw downfield and it isn't always players not getting open or the offensive line protection. I didn't like the run calls, but there was no way UT was going to throw in that situation. With a better passing QB, the decision may have been different.
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Wrong
 
#81
#81
McDad said:
I disagree with everyone saying the last offensive series with the lead is playing not to lose. I understand i am in the minority here. CBJ made mistakes on gameday but that series isnt one of them. We were averaging almost 5 yards per attempt. We needed to run clock. UF's offense was a trainwreck. UF's defense is loaded especially against the pass. Our oline simply must be able to get a first down. Every coach i thought was worth a dang plays it the same way. Worst case scenario is we eat some clock and make them burn some timeouts. Then punt it away because our punter is a weapon and force them to go 60 yards in under 2 minutes. But, our defense collapsed on one play.
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Agreed.
 
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1974Vol said:
Poor defensive call. Rush 3 and play soft zone? Really? 118 games this year where one team lead the other by 2 TDs in the 4th quarter. The leading team won 115 times. The Vols have 2 of the 3 loses. It's simple Butch doesn't really get it.
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Yeah so thats why he ran 60 yards with it? it should have only been a first down, not poor angles/tackles.
It's easy to say that with hindsight. Oh yeah he should have rushed this many more because we would have hurried him. Actually, their OL held up against our D pretty well so I'm not sure rushing more would have actually been better
 
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#83
He's completely insane, thats all there is too it.

Butch and Debord abandoned this team in the 4th quarter. He should be flogged for these comments.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
uhhhh.... not defending Butch but..... technically that's exactly what we are.
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Hang on...we should never have been in that position in either the OK or FL games. It never should have come down to that, as we all painfully watched.

Much truer to say we are two QUARTERS away from being 4-0...and about 25-30 plays away.
 
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#90
Our run game is pretty good, as evidenced by numbers. The scheme, I would argue, is really not that great, as evidenced by our runners getting hit behind the line multiple times on seemingly every play. You don't draw it up to where Hurd has to truck five guys to gain three yards on first down.
 
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#91
Butch will continue to put this team into bad situations. He's done it many times before he got to Knoxville, and he's done it over and over in games with the Vols. This just ain't new information guys! Yea he's going to win some games, just because of how talented these kids are, but he isn't going to suddenly develop into a good game day coach.
 
#92
#92
68Vol said:
Butch will continue to put this team into bad situations. He's done it many times before he got to Knoxville, and he's done it over and over in games with the Vols. This just ain't new information guys! Yea he's going to win some games, just because of how talented these kids are, but he isn't going to suddenly develop into a good game day coach.
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You got that right. Vol Nation saw it live and many in person.

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How they could believe the co-championship crap, and cliches, blows my mind.
 
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#93
utvolpj said:
So you're saying the rushing numbers are skewed because all rushes were counted in the total? Interesting theory :question:
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No, I'm not saying that. How many rush attempts did UT have, and how many went for five yds? I believe that the majority would be less than the average of 5 yds.
 
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#94
How long do coaches last that are not honest with the fan base?
Will UT be the laughing stock of the country because of Butch Jones?
 
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dillyo51 said:
No, I'm not saying that. How many rush attempts did UT have, and how many went for five yds? I believe that the majority would be less than the average of 5 yds.
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Well that's kinda how an average works. How would you propose we measure the average? Maybe you prefer the median?
 
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#97
rockymountainvol said:
He also said to put the loss on his shoulders. I think he is owning it but deflecting at the same time.
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If you're talking about this
"I understand that's part of the game. I welcome that. I have big shoulders. Put that all on my shoulders, so our players can go out and perform Saturday."
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tbh that just sounds like he's putting on the martyr cap and is being patronizing. I'm behind Butch till we assess at the end of next year but he has patterns that are troubling, very troubling. When the collegiate football world is telling you you made a boo boo and you just dismiss it like you would a child's ramblings...that's not a good sign.
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
When does he start throwing players under the bus?
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Kinda already did when he said that he thought the coaches did a good enough job on Saturday for the team to win. If the coaches did a good enough job for the team to win but then the team didn't win, it must've been the players, right ?
 
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