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One thing that drives me nuts and I've noticed with Heupel since he has been at UT, is the play clock. Most of you will laugh like this doesn't matter. Seconds add up to minutes and minutes add up to possessions for your opponent.

I am all for an up tempo, aggressive, don't take your foot off the gas, keep the defense on their heels offense........

If the Vols used as little as 5 to 6 extra seconds before they snap the ball, over a 73 play average game, that adds up to over 6 minutes of game time that your opponent likely won't have. 6 minutes.

I have noticed that Josh has slowed the pace way down this season with Aguilar on many of the plays running the clock down to nearly zero, but when they are up tempo they are just snapping it a few seconds too early. He needs to find a happy medium. There are far too many pre-snap penalties and instead of snapping the ball with 21 seconds left on the play clock, just wait about 5 or 6 seconds more. Over an entire game this takes at least a possession away from your opponent and help your offensive line settle in just a bit. You accomplish less penalties and less possessions for your opponent. It's just the little things like this that Tennessee needs to adjust since they are so close in so many instances
 
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Football is a turns taking game. If your opponent gets two extra possessions in a game due to pace, then so did you.

if you’ve got a big lead then yes, you want fewer remaining possessions and should go slower, which we do. Josh’s main issue IMO is situation clock management, I.e. timeouts in the last few minutes of halves.
 
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Sometimes going fast and sometimes going slow is how you catch defenses napping. I think Huepel is a bit more strategic than that, for sure, but simply being unpredictable is a good thing. Lull them to sleep and then slam on the accelerator and catch half their team looking to the side.
 
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madbamahater said:
One thing that drives me nuts and I've noticed with Heupel since he has been at UT, is the play clock. Most of you will laugh like this doesn't matter. Seconds add up to minutes and minutes add up to possessions for your opponent.

I am all for an up tempo, aggressive, don't take your foot off the gas, keep the defense on their heels offense........

If the Vols used as little as 5 to 6 extra seconds before they snap the ball, over a 73 play average game, that adds up to over 6 minutes of game time that your opponent likely won't have. 6 minutes.

I have noticed that Josh has slowed the pace way down this season with Aguilar on many of the plays running the clock down to nearly zero, but when they are up tempo they are just snapping it a few seconds too early. He needs to find a happy medium. There are far too many pre-snap penalties and instead of snapping the ball with 21 seconds left on the play clock, just wait about 5 or 6 seconds more. Over an entire game this takes at least a possession away from your opponent and help your offensive line settle in just a bit. You accomplish less penalties and less possessions for your opponent. It's just the little things like this that Tennessee needs to adjust since they are so close in so many instances
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So again, someone wants the coach to not run the system that has made UT relevant again. In case you have not noticed, the offense shutters terribly when CJH tries to slow it down. It is almost as if they lose their play calling flow when they slow down. The offense is much more multiple right now, but they need to be up tempo just to keep it smooth.
 
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madbamahater said:
One thing that drives me nuts and I've noticed with Heupel since he has been at UT, is the play clock. Most of you will laugh like this doesn't matter. Seconds add up to minutes and minutes add up to possessions for your opponent.

I am all for an up tempo, aggressive, don't take your foot off the gas, keep the defense on their heels offense........

If the Vols used as little as 5 to 6 extra seconds before they snap the ball, over a 73 play average game, that adds up to over 6 minutes of game time that your opponent likely won't have. 6 minutes.

I have noticed that Josh has slowed the pace way down this season with Aguilar on many of the plays running the clock down to nearly zero, but when they are up tempo they are just snapping it a few seconds too early. He needs to find a happy medium. There are far too many pre-snap penalties and instead of snapping the ball with 21 seconds left on the play clock, just wait about 5 or 6 seconds more. Over an entire game this takes at least a possession away from your opponent and help your offensive line settle in just a bit. You accomplish less penalties and less possessions for your opponent. It's just the little things like this that Tennessee needs to adjust since they are so close in so many instances
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If Josh only knew what you know🤭

Thanks for the laugh
 
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GraingerMater23 said:
Football is a turns taking game. If your opponent gets two extra possessions in a game due to pace, then so did you.

if you’ve got a big lead then yes, you want fewer remaining possessions and should go slower, which we do. Josh’s main issue IMO is situation clock management, I.e. timeouts in the last few minutes of halves.
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VOLfrombama said:
His O is designed around tempo so as long as they put points up it works to his advantage. The only time it hurts imo is when they dont score and the D has to get back onto the field, especially 3 and out after turnovers. That crushes momentum and hurts the whole team.
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Agree...and, I don't think we have the rushing game or D this year to play drain the clock. Last year, w/ stellar D and rushing attack, it would have fit better.
 
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I don’t know about you guys but it seemed that CJH ran out of plays after that third series against Georgia. I mean, after that series, the uptempo just stopped and the players were looking around.
 
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GraingerMater23 said:
Football is a turns taking game. If your opponent gets two extra possessions in a game due to pace, then so did you.

if you’ve got a big lead then yes, you want fewer remaining possessions and should go slower, which we do. Josh’s main issue IMO is situation clock management, I.e. timeouts in the last few minutes of halves.
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You don't swap possessions evenly. No football games have exactly the same number of possessions.
 
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Pride85 said:
So again, someone wants the coach to not run the system that has made UT relevant again. In case you have not noticed, the offense shutters terribly when CJH tries to slow it down. It is almost as if they lose their play calling flow when they slow down. The offense is much more multiple right now, but they need to be up tempo just to keep it smooth.
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So.again, another poster that did not read my post. If they allow seconds to run each play, literally seconds.
 
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If Georgia has one less possession, they would have lost in regulation. Tennessee's offense could have made that happen by snapping the ball with say 18 seconds on the play clock versus 21
 
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The Vols ran 74 plays against UGA. If they allow just 2 seconds more to tick for each of those plays that amounts to 2 minutes and 48 seconds UGA wouldn't have had the ball in the game. Their game tying possession?
 
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#1fulmerite said:
I don’t know about you guys but it seemed that CJH ran out of plays after that third series against Georgia. I mean, after that series, the uptempo just stopped and the players were looking around.
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That was when all the penalties started..holding here, false start there, offensive interference against guys not even in view or involved in the play, illegal formations lol the list goes on and on.
The players were probably looking around lost because they were wondering what they were allowed to do without a yellow flag being thrown from every direction.
 
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madbamahater said:
The Vols ran 74 plays against UGA. If they allow just 2 seconds more to tick for each of those plays that amounts to 2 minutes and 48 seconds UGA wouldn't have had the ball in the game. Their game tying possession?
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I think you are forgetting to offset that by the number of plays we would not get. If we took 2 min 47 seconds (your math was wrong) more per play, we would not have run 74 plays so may have missed out on scoring opportunities. I get your point, but you just can't take a linear approach like that.
 
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madbamahater said:
One thing that drives me nuts and I've noticed with Heupel since he has been at UT, is the play clock. Most of you will laugh like this doesn't matter. Seconds add up to minutes and minutes add up to possessions for your opponent.

I am all for an up tempo, aggressive, don't take your foot off the gas, keep the defense on their heels offense........

If the Vols used as little as 5 to 6 extra seconds before they snap the ball, over a 73 play average game, that adds up to over 6 minutes of game time that your opponent likely won't have. 6 minutes.

I have noticed that Josh has slowed the pace way down this season with Aguilar on many of the plays running the clock down to nearly zero, but when they are up tempo they are just snapping it a few seconds too early. He needs to find a happy medium. There are far too many pre-snap penalties and instead of snapping the ball with 21 seconds left on the play clock, just wait about 5 or 6 seconds more. Over an entire game this takes at least a possession away from your opponent and help your offensive line settle in just a bit. You accomplish less penalties and less possessions for your opponent. It's just the little things like this that Tennessee needs to adjust since they are so close in so many instances
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You make a good point about the pre-snap penalties. I love a tempo that doesn't give the opponent an opportunity to make subs. Of course, if we go 3 and out, our Defense hasn't had a chance to catch their breath. I believe CJH has adjusted the tempo to accommodate Joey's skill set.
 
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MadMaxSC said:
You make a good point about the pre-snap penalties. I love a tempo that doesn't give the opponent an opportunity to make subs. Of course, if we go 3 and out, our Defense hasn't had a chance to catch their breath. I believe CJH has adjusted the tempo to accommodate Joey's skill set.
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and maybe too much. On some plays Heupel is snapping the ball as if time is running out and in a crazy hurry and on some plays they are taking all the way down. There's just no in between
 
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GraingerMater23 said:
There are two ways that possessions are uneven. 1. If you have both the first and last drive of a half

2. Non offensive touchdowns, because the scoring team skips and offensive possession.

That’s it.
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Nope

Team A kicks off to team B, team B either doesn't recover the kick and it's live or they fumble and team A recovers. That's 2 possessions to none.

Team A has ball and is forced to punt. Team A punts and the ball touches a player on team B making it a live ball and team A recovers.

Team A then scores and kicks off to team B, this is an on-side kick and team A recovers.
 
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jps2194 said:
I think you are forgetting to offset that by the number of plays we would not get. If we took 2 min 47 seconds (your math was wrong) more per play, we would not have run 74 plays so may have missed out on scoring opportunities. I get your point, but you just can't take a linear approach like that.
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The goal is to give your opponent less possession time, or at least one less possession
 
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jps2194 said:
Yes, I understood that. But by doing what you suggest, you shorten our number of possessions.
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Have to score no matter what or it may not matter. The Vols snapping the ball with 17 seconds on the play clock vs 21 shouldn't have an effect on their ability to score on any one possession, unless it's the last possession in a hurry up situation. If you score no matter what and you eat some clock that is a double edged sword for an opposing team.
 
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