Too much ice

[Skooter]

You keep saying this when people keep having to slow down to explain the concept of victim-blaming and the problems with "they were asking for it" to you and you still don't get it

Putting words in quotes that weren’t said or posted is straight out of the mentally ill lib playbook.
How about instead of all this bs you spew,grab a gun and go harass ICE, fbi, cia, whoever, since you think it’s ok and void of possible repurcussions from being pushed to the ground to DOA. I’ll look for the videos on social media.

 

[hog88]

Agreed. I would still classify her as a victim tho, legally justified but overreaction and she shouldn’t have been killed

I don't consider her a victim, maybe a victim of her own stupidity but nothing else.

 

[vols40]

"FAFO" sounding a lot like "government killing you is fine if you step out of line"

I have never in my life "accidentally" drug an officer while screaming at them. FAFO.... low IQ is really unfortunate but it's down right inhumane to enable it. So stop effing A and you will stop finding out

 

[Smokey123]

Would you advise your son or daughter to take a gun and go harass agents? Or get in their car and track them down to block them and interfere?
I will assume you’d advise against it.
Also, like Saturday, millions of people find a way to protest peacefully without asking for trouble and finding it.

Of course I wouldn’t. Just like I’d advise against putting yourself in bad situations, but that doesn’t make them any less of a victim and shouldn’t be blamed for someone else’s actions

 

[Skooter]

Agreed. I would still classify her as a victim tho, legally justified but overreaction and she shouldn’t have been killed

Fair stance, but I would add at the end “and wouldn’t have been in a situation for an overreaction had she not went out looking for trouble.” That’s not victim blaming. It’s saying the person who ended up being the victim had a choice and made a poor one to put herself in that position.
Here is a quick example from when I was a teen. There was to be a fight after school. My dad asked where I was going and I told him “to watch a fight” which was between a few guys from 2 schools. He said no you are not and took my keys. 2 kids there watching ended up getting jumped, facial fractures and a jaw wired shut for weeks. I’m glad my dad forced some common sense or I could’ve been in that spot. There was no reason to be down there, just as there is zero reason to antagonize or interfere with govt agents with guns on their belts. People don’t need to make bad decisions and put themselves in situations that can go bad, or they very well may.

 

[NashVol11]

Putting words in quotes that weren’t said or posted is straight out of the mentally ill lib playbook.
How about instead of all this bs you spew,grab a gun and go harass ICE, fbi, cia, whoever, since you think it’s ok and void of possible repurcussions from being pushed to the ground to DOA. I’ll look for the videos on social media.

If the "repercussion" for possessing a gun while protesting is death then yeah that's not justified at all, and is a weird thing for you to be defending

 

[NashVol11]

Fair stance, but I would add at the end “and wouldn’t have been in a situation for an overreaction had she not went out looking for trouble.” That’s not victim blaming. It’s saying the person who ended up being the victim had a choice and made a poor one to put herself in that position.

There are always a million but-for causes. She wouldn't have been in that situation if she stayed home, or if Trump didn't send ICE agents to Minneapolis to make an example out of Somali people, or if the agent didn't try to block her car. Trying to elevate one of them and ignore all the others is stupid. That is why the concept of proximate cause exists; the cause of her death was the person who shot her, and getting killed isn't some expected or automatic result of going to a protest

 

[Smokey123]

I don't consider her a victim, maybe a victim of her own stupidity but nothing else.

A victim of a trigger happy cop that overreacted

 

[Skooter]

“Getting killed isn’t some automatic result of going to a protest”. This is the type of bs mentally ill people pull out of their asses.
Wasn’t doin nothin. Just minding my own business peacefully protesting..
Amazingly millions find their way home after protesting. Why? Because they aren’t the biggest dumbasses in the world like 1 or 2 here who can’t differentiate between peaceful protesting and harassing or interfering with armed agents.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[LouderVol]

If the "repercussion" for possessing a gun while protesting is death then yeah that's not justified at all, and is a weird thing for you to be defending

agreed. Kyle Rittenhouse was justified. this guy was justified. he was not using the gun in an unlawful or threatening manner.

 

[LouderVol]

“Getting killed isn’t some automatic result of going to a protest”. This is the type of bs mentally ill people pull out of their asses.
Wasn’t doin nothin. Just minding my own business peacefully protesting..
Amazingly millions find their way home after protesting. Why? Because they aren’t the biggest dumbasses in the world like 1 or 2 here who can’t differentiate between peaceful protesting and harassing or interfering with armed agents.

and hundreds of thousands of cops find it possible to deal with those aholes without shooting them.

its not the one way street you want it to be.

 

[hog88]

A victim of a trigger happy cop that overreacted

Personally, I assume all of them are trigger happy and prone to overreaction so I don’t consider anyone that speeds away, almost running over one a victim of being shot. You gave the trigger happy cop justification.

 

[Skooter]

and hundreds of thousands of cops find it possible to deal with those aholes without shooting them.

its not the one way street you want it to be.

Because they were by their right truly peacefully protesting and not looking for trouble.
You seem level headed compared to a couple others. Why the trouble distinguishing between peacefully protesting and antagonizing/interfering/blocking/spitting at or throwing rocks or dildos at agents? They aren’t the same thing as you guys attest them to be.

 

[Orangeslice13]

A victim of a trigger happy cop that overreacted

I’ve been following this and I’ve been clear how I feel about the shooting.

However I taught my kids to be as smart as possible in any situation involving the police. Don’t fight back. Don’t interrupt or interfere survive the encounter. Then let my lawyers go to work.

Anyone who decides to protest ice better go there knowing they’re risking their life doing it. But that’s the personal accountability I’ve been preaching the last few days. If someone thinks it’s worth the risk to go that route then that’s their right.

 

[Skooter]

I’ve been following this and I’ve been clear how I feel about the shooting.

However I taught my kids to be as smart as possible in any situation involving the police. Don’t fight back. Don’t interrupt or interfere survive the encounter. Then let my lawyers go to work.

Anyone who decides to protest ice better go there knowing they’re risking their life doing it. But that’s the personal accountability I’ve been preaching the last few days. If someone thinks it’s worth the risk to go that route then that’s their right.

My youngest ran into a situation. Similar car bolo for armed robbery and kidnapping in December. Car surrounded. Yanked from car and pinned against it. Then they saw the Jets pizzas he was delivering and realized soon after he wasn’t who they were looking for. He didn’t try to run over them, flee or fight which could have ended badly, because he’s not an idiot. Yeah he was shaken and wish it wouldn’t have happened but **** does happen and he reacted to a situation with common sense and composure because like your kids, he was was taught what to do and what not to do.

 

[LouderVol]

Because they were by their right truly peacefully protesting and not looking for trouble.
You seem level headed compared to a couple others. Why the trouble distinguishing between peacefully protesting and antagonizing/interfering/blocking/spitting at or throwing rocks or dildos at agents? They aren’t the same thing as you guys attest them to be.

I look at thru the lens of "would I be justified in (doing whatever the cop did) in that situation."

if the answer is no, the cop is hiding behind his badge, and probably not acting in a healthy to society way.

someone gets in my way, even if I am on the job, I don't get to shoot them. someone interferes with my job, I don't get to shoot them. For cops its a bit different, especially if they are dealing with a life/death situation that is being interfered with, that gets "ok'd" by me.

similar situation when its not a shooting. if the cop goes thru at least two levels of alternate means of dealing with a situation before shooting, its also "ok" with me. I don't expect them to put up with actual physical harassment indefinitely. someone getting in their face to curse them? no way, cop needs to stay in line.

so the old man getting shoved, doesn't bother me. the guy pinned to the ground getting arrested and shot in the back when the cops found a gun on him? Completely unjustified. that matter had been resolved. I don't get to shoot a home invader who is face down on the ground, even if I notice he has a gun on his person.

and I am definitely making a distinction between what I "should" do, and what I might be able to get away with a court. just because the system protects the cops doesn't mean a particular shooting/interaction was an acceptable one.

 

[LouderVol]

My youngest ran into a situation. Similar car bolo for armed robbery and kidnapping in December. Car surrounded. Yanked from car and pinned against it. Then they saw the Jets pizzas he was delivering and realized soon after he wasn’t who they were looking for. He didn’t try to run over them, flee or fight which could have ended badly, because he’s not an idiot. Yeah he was shaken and wish it wouldn’t have happened but **** does happen and he reacted to a situation with common sense and composure because like your kids, he was was taught what to do and what not to do.

cops are the ones with the training to deal with citizens.

lawful citizens SHOULDN'T need training to deal with cops. its a failure of the system that we do.

 

[Smokey123]

Personally, I assume all of them are trigger happy and prone to overreaction so I don’t consider anyone that speeds away, almost running over one a victim of being shot. You gave the trigger happy cop justification.

You’re just a cop hating sombitch

Related story. I was working in New Orleans few months ago painting a gate entrance to an apartment complex. I walked into the gate to my vehicle to get a drink, I turn around and there’s a cop walking toward me with his hand on his pistol telling me I had hopped the fence and was trespassing

 

[Smokey123]

I’ve been following this and I’ve been clear how I feel about the shooting.

However I taught my kids to be as smart as possible in any situation involving the police. Don’t fight back. Don’t interrupt or interfere survive the encounter. Then let my lawyers go to work.

Anyone who decides to protest ice better go there knowing they’re risking their life doing it. But that’s the personal accountability I’ve been preaching the last few days. If someone thinks it’s worth the risk to go that route then that’s their right.

Oh I agree. I’m big on avoiding situations that you could later regret. Life often leads to unfair outcomes

 

[Smokey123]

Fair stance, but I would add at the end “and wouldn’t have been in a situation for an overreaction had she not went out looking for trouble.” That’s not victim blaming. It’s saying the person who ended up being the victim had a choice and made a poor one to put herself in that position.
Here is a quick example from when I was a teen. There was to be a fight after school. My dad asked where I was going and I told him “to watch a fight” which was between a few guys from 2 schools. He said no you are not and took my keys. 2 kids there watching ended up getting jumped, facial fractures and a jaw wired shut for weeks. I’m glad my dad forced some common sense or I could’ve been in that spot. There was no reason to be down there, just as there is zero reason to antagonize or interfere with govt agents with guns on their belts. People don’t need to make bad decisions and put themselves in situations that can go bad, or they very well may.

Sounds like the two kids were victims and shouldn’t have been jumped

You can put yourself in a bad situation while still being the victim in said situation

 

[hog88]

You’re just a cop hating sombitch

Related story. I was working in New Orleans few months ago painting a gate entrance to an apartment complex. I walked into the gate to my vehicle to get a drink, I turn around and there’s a cop walking toward me with his hand on his pistol telling me I had hopped the fence and was trespassing

Not a cop hater, I'm a cop not truster. I learned young and through a good beating that if you can't whop 'em give them a wide berth and stay out of the polices way.

 

[Skooter]

Oh I agree. I’m big on avoiding situations that you could later regret. Life often leads to unfair outcomes

Very simple and accurate. People should heed your advice.

 

[Smokey123]

Not a cop hater, I'm a cop not truster. I learned young and through a good beating that if you can't whop 'em give them a wide berth and stay out of the polices way.

Luckily never had any poor experiences with cops other than the one in New Orleans, which probably would have ended worse if he saw what was with me.

I think the majority are just trying to do their job, a minority are jackasses that ruin it for everyone else

 

[NashVol11]

My youngest ran into a situation. Similar car bolo for armed robbery and kidnapping in December. Car surrounded. Yanked from car and pinned against it. Then they saw the Jets pizzas he was delivering and realized soon after he wasn’t who they were looking for. He didn’t try to run over them, flee or fight which could have ended badly, because he’s not an idiot. Yeah he was shaken and wish it wouldn’t have happened but **** does happen and he reacted to a situation with common sense and composure because like your kids, he was was taught what to do and what not to do.

I've told this story here before, but I know someone who had a gun pointed at them by a cop because they inadvertently drove off with a gas pump. They drove next door to a fast food place, realized they still had the pump and left it on the ground, went in and got food, and as they were coming out to leave several cop cars pulled up and the front one pulled a gun.

Luckily the person froze and didn't get shot, but flipping that into the idea that they were raised right and that someone who instead had the fight-or-flight reaction to run, and got shot, was just f***ing around and finding out or whatever (not that you necessarily said FAFO, but others did), doesn't sit right with me. There should be a very high bar for an officer of the state to end someone's life IMO - and relatedly, that means most of the responsibility generally lies with the person shooting to be able to show that it's really necessary.